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  • sunexecvp sunexecvp Nov 20, 2008 8:10 PM Flag

    Will M$FT do a Netscape on Vmware?

    WIll Microsoft's free Hyper-V be the end of Vmware?
    After all, the only reason Vmware came into being was because Windows couldn't scale.

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    • Yes most definitely. I'm not normally so concerned with costs as its all relative. Its normally the very last piece of any discussion I have unless they fit in the SMB space. Even then its very brief discussion.

      Politics is always an interesting challenge due to some deep seeded relationships with vendors and personal motives at just about every level of an organization. I will work with both honest and dishonest customers just because its interesting to understand the drivers and motives that people have. I also do not believe in buying the business like some will do. Because I cannot be bought myself. (I'm a very happy person already) ;). Its a short term strategy for both the customer and vendor.

      Technology is great but without the support, future R&D efforts, industry adoption, it means nothing. As an example niche players have some great technologies that outshine those of the mainstream players but they lack the support and R&D dollars to continue operations for very long. Betting on technology alone is another short term play in my opinion. Others may differ but there is enough industry evidence that shows otherwise.

      But otherwise we are on the same page.

    • The correct question is:
      What solution sells?
      The solution needs to address:
      + price
      + company politics
      + technology

      In that order.

    • Please - Microsoft has gotten too big that its destroying their ability to innovate.

      Plus you really have to understand how consulting/services companies work and their relationships with their vendors and clients. There has to be an incentive for consultants to position any solution. IT could be the best damn solution in the world but unless there will be a commission check with it - good luck it will never see the light of day (Linux). IT will never receive the support or training.

      But cost of anything is all relative.


      - Would you spend $200K/once to save 1Million each each year for 3 years?
      - Included with the $200K is better relationships with vendors and consultants who save you an additional $200K/year in support costs and $50k/Training.
      - All of a sudden the $200K becomes a drop in the bucket.

      Microsoft relationships buy you nothing for most organizations unless you are Boeing, Airbus, just a large company. Even then its useless if you have to spend money on support costs and it doesn't scale like VMware does.

      So in fact what looks free from Microsoft isn't so free anymore.

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      • Just because Vmware is deployed doesn't mean that companies will stop using M$FT. VMWare is not an OS, so some OS has to be used and the prevalent one is Windows.

        The reason Vmware originated and became popular is because Windows doesn't scale (one app/ server - essentially). Whereas, Unix and Linux scale (multiple apps/server). M$FT is addressing scalability by including Hyper-V gratis in their offering. So they are addressing scalability of their own OS, which is the OS with the most market share.

        VMware is doing a good job of adding value to the original scalability offering by including atuomated failover capabilities, but they are racing against a M$FT clock and recall what happened to Netscape despite being a free and popular product.

    • keep going...this is getting more humorous by the post.

    • Different initial product - Google's $'s were made from search engine ad's.

      Google will not be able to win against M$FT in desktop product space. Watch and learn.

      VMWare is directly up against Hyper-V.

    • must have been moron day on the vmw board.

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