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  • iraplanna iraplanna Nov 14, 2004 1:08 PM Flag

    rants on red state morality, for adults

    This is from a guy that might teach at the U of Washington. It's profane and he's probably a little over the edge but he is passionate. I left the expletives in it, just like Nixon. If you're offended, grow up and get a life...

    From: Corey Welch;
    Fuck the South. Fuck 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those
    are states we want to keep. And now what do we get? We're the fucking Arrogant Northeast Liberal Elite?
    How about this for arrogant: the South is the
    Real America? The Authentic America. Really?
    Cause we fucking founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to keep your
    automatic weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't bother to read the first
    half of the fucking sentence? Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were fucking blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? Hello? Think there might be a reason
    all the fucking monuments are up here in our backyard?
    No, No. Get the fuck out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and fucking Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who do you think
    those fucking stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for fucking blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their fucking Subarus together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started this shit, so don't get all uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I've been a state for almost a hundred years" dickheads. Fuck off.
    Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being fucking arrogant?
    What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I don't think so.
    Arrogance is the fucking cornerstone of what it means to be American. And I wouldn't be so fucking arrogant if I wasn't paying for your fucking bridges, bitch. All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your fucking Tennessee Valley Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane, you can come crying to us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a fucking swamp. "Let the Spanish keep it, it�s a shithole," we said, but you had to have your fucking orange juice.

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    • What crystal ball did you gaze into to come to all those conclusions about what I know, thought, or did? But beyond that, what is your point? Your post makes no sense, and sorta smells of a bitter employee (or ex). I can't help it if you weren't satisfied with your career experience. Get a grip....that's why they call it WORK!

    • Read your own posts again. You probably had no idea of the market (how much your peers are making). The only move you had or made was to find another job. When you are sick, you see a doctor. When you need legal helps, you hire a lawyer. When you size the satellite, you visit a structural engineer. Your managers negotiate pay raises 100+ times per year yet you feel that you can outsmart him or her. What else do you believe? Earning too much $ will bring down the company?

      TRW paid above average wages and was doing fine, until Mr Sitting-on-his-hand and Mr Right-hand took over.

    • In my whole time with TRW, I doubt there was not more than 2-3 raise cyles that I felt strongly that my raise was out of line with my peers, my responsibilities, and the business/competitive envirionment.

      Prior to working for TRW, after several years with my previous compnay, and feeling unsatisfied with my pay....I found another, better job, and resigned.

      Over the long run (not any particular year), the vast number of people are paid pretty damn close to what they are worth, if not a little more if they have a good record with their compnay....IF they have chose to work for a good company. If they have chosen to cast their lot worth dogs, they might get screwed....but if they continue to let themselves be screwed, and do nothing but bitch, they should just lay back and enkoy it...they are asking for it.

      Now I know you might argue many people have no choise....but think about what that really means. If they really have only one choice, aren't better off than if that choice was gone? What if that company never existed in the first place, what would they be doing?

      Oh, and I have no idea what raises my managers got...why would I care?

    • <A scab is a person hired by the management to break a strike, and likely does not have the experience or skill to perform the job. By definition, s/he is a tool or club.>
      WRONG! most union jobs are unskilled and therefore anyone can fill them. If the union workers had skills they wouldn't need a union to extort higher wages from the employer. A scab is a person that agrees to do the work for a fair wage.

      First of all, most union jobs, be it plumber or carpenter or machinist, require training and skill and understanding of specs etc.

      Secondly, the training difference between UCLA EE and ME is less than 1 year. In other word, with about 3 to 6 months budget, I can turn a mechanical engineer to be proficient in a vastly different field.

    • I asked "A free person likely cannot negotiate his/her own wages. As good as TRW, how many years of your career did you receive pay raise of 1% above average?"

      To that question sqzr stated "In 30 years, about 23." and jojo replied "10 of 17."

      Nest question: What did you do if you were not happy with the pay raise?

      Follow-up question: During this time, how many years did your manager receive pay raise of 1% above average?


    • In 2000, only 9% of private sector workers were unionized. 91% of all non-government jobs are non-union and does better represent "real working people.

    • As usual you knock down straw men by ranting against positions I have never taken....but that is your way of debating a question.

    • Well blue, if you followed this thread from the start (by ira) you would know that it was he who defined those workers as "scabs", a rather unflattering term.

    • "A "free" person likely cannot negotiate his/her own wages. As good as TRW, how many years of your career did you receive pay raise of 1% above average?"

      In 30 years, about 23.

    • I hope you are an atypical consrvative rather than a spokesman for that movement. Where you get your nerve is beyond me, if balls were music, you'd be a brass band.
      Why should anyone be due a free pass? You resent welfare because the lazy bastards won't work, you resent affirmative action for past exclusionary laws, they should earn their way after a history of being told they're inferior, but you're OK with 'W's affirmative action entry into Yale as the son of an alumnae. You don't want to pay taxes, you won't enlist in the Armed Forces. That's something for the poor and good old country boys to do. There are streets all over America named after your ilk, they're called "ONE WAY".

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