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  • iraplanna iraplanna Apr 19, 2006 9:20 PM Flag

    No end In Sight...

    "Americans must be prepared for violence to continue in Iraq, even after a government is formed. There will be no Iraqi equivalent of V-E Day or V-J Day," Rice said. Those are the days of Victory in Europe and Victory in Japan in 1945."

    The sage words above are a quote attributable to Secy of State Rice.

    <<With the invasion of North Africa (Operation TORCH), the U.S. Army in late 1942 began a ground offensive against the European Axis that was to be sustained almost without pause until Italy collapsed and Germany was finally defeated.>>

    The war against the Nazis took from Nov 1942 until May 8th, 1945, barely 2 and 1/2 years and the war against the Japanese took from Dec 7, 1941 until Aug 15, 1945, a little more than 3 1/2 years.

    Your pendejo in chief hasn't beat a bunch of rag heads in a country no bigger than California for more than 3 years. WWII was fought all over North Africa, Europe and the Pacific, against educated, formidable and very heavily armed enemy.

    Riddle me that.

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    • Quick...name one thing the Hong Kong economy has invented, or one new product it has produced.

      Being the funnel for China to pirate US products and mass produce with near slave labor is not an economy we should aim to copy.

      And why don't you brag about the vibrant French or German economies, who have followed your perscription, and are now reaping the whirlwind.

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      1. Replace you sentence by changing Hong Kong to NYC and you have the answer.

      2. How many citizens does Hong Kong have and how much does China funnel her priated USA products thru Hong Kong?

      3. Why would I praise France or Germany? The current growth is at Brazil, Russia, China and India.

      And don't forget to forward your email to Bill Ford. He believed that China is too small for USA automobiles. Lately 40% of the GM profit comes from her China operation. The future of GM, if not the only chance of GM to combat Japanese imports, is her China operation.

    • Quick...name one thing the Hong Kong economy has invented, or one new product it has produced.

      Being the funnel for China to pirate US products and mass produce with near slave labor is not an economy we should aim to copy.

      And why don't you brag about the vibrant French or German economies, who have followed your perscription, and are now reaping the whirlwind.

    • The rich are getting richer, and so are the poor, for the most part. The rich may be getting further ahead of the poor, but so what? The poor are much better off in absolute terms than they have ever been in this country. But if you prefer to measure the status of the poor by how far they are behind the richest, then you will always be unsatisfied, unless you can succeed in making everyone equally poor.

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      This unfortunately is another myth. The tax rate of Hong Kong, probably having the most vibrant economy in this world, is tilted. The top 3% paid for 57% of the tax in 2005. The next 3% paid 13%, and the next 3% paid 10%. Taxing the upper 10% has not forced the rich to exodus, nor a drain of brain power.

      In case you want to argue that HK is a socialistic society, this taxing system was installed by the Brit.

      In case you have seen the movie �Braveheart� and wonder how the Brit encouraged the rich to pay the fair tax, they placed an interesting system that only the taxpayers can vote. The tax rate there is still quite low, partly because they do not believe that China is a threat.

    • Dude, you sound so much like my trophy wife: I saved you so much $ by buying things on sale.

    • Now you are being silly...but then maybe you really can't absorb real data...especially if it conflicts with your propaganda.

      The rich are getting richer, and so are the poor, for the most part. The rich may be getting further ahead of the poor, but so what? The poor are much better off in absolute terms than they have ever been in this country. But if you prefer to measure the status of the poor by how far they are behind the richest, then you will always be unsatisfied, unless you can succeed in making everyone equally poor.

      But the argument that the rich are paying less than have in the past in income taxes is patently false, as all data show. You either out of ignorance or purposeful deceit confuse marginal tax rates with taxes paid.

      The lower income earners (not just the poor) are now paying little to no income tax afetr all the tax breaks and credits are applied.

      The progressive tax system is alive and well,,,,you should be rejoicing.

    • The only thing I can glean from your statistics is the rich are getting poorer and the poor are getting richer.

    • You and your running dogs continue to propagate the myth that "rich" aren't paying their fair share under the Bush tax cuts.

      In 1980 the top 10% of AGI earners paid 49.3% of all Federal income taxes, and the lowest 50% paid 7.1%.

      In 2003 the top 10% of AGI earners paid 65.8% of all Federal income taxes, and the lowest 50% paid only 3.5%.

      It is clear that the upper brackets are carrying an ever increasing load, while the lower income brackets are paying much less, and in many cases a zero, or even negative, income tax.

      Understand too, that the top 10% are by no means populated solely with the "rich" that you like to blast. For 2003 the AGI income level to be in the top 10% was only slightly below $95K/yr. In fact the top 5% started at a AGI of only $131K.

      So, when you and McMEM want to "sock to the top 10%, you will be hitting the $100-200K group...most of which are just working professionals, or small business operators.

      In truth, the top 10% today are paying no less, and in most recent years more, than they did under the majority of the eight years under Clinton when their share ranged from 59.2% to 67.3%.

      The propaganda that the tax cuts only helped the "rich" is pure BS, designed to play on ignorance and envy, and to imply there can be a free-ride if we just tax "the other guy"....a standard liberal theme.

    • And I quote your source 'tax foundation'...
      <<The latest release of Internal Revenue Service data comes from calendar year 2003, a year that included the tail end of the recession and the beginning of a robust recovery that continues today.>>
      They cite the tail end of a a recession and a "robust recovery" that continues today.

      I only ask who is the beneficiary of this so called "robust recovery"? It's certainly not the blue collar manufacturing trades. It's not the legal construction trades. It's not the IT industry's programmers etc that saw their jobs go off shore.
      Could it be the Wal-Mart owners and their million + employees?
      It's certainly not the owners and employeees of the thousands of mom & pop shops Wal-Mart has put out of business during the past 10-15 years.

    • 8)There's already laws written about not doing a sheep, goat, calf etc.
      Most of the Mormons have aleady written off marriage between more than two consenting adults, girl brides etc.
      Since most if not all homosexuals are the result of a straight relationship and since divorce is somewhere up around 50% of all heterosexual marriages who's to say gay marriage can't work equally as well.

      9)I've said this before and I guesss it bears repeating... when taxes were considered "confiscatory" we built the century series fighters, the B-52, B-58, B-66, A-5, A-6, F-14 & 15, we put men on the moon, we built the Interstate Hwy system, we cured polio and on and on.
      We haven't secured our southern border. Who knows how safe we are from terrorist attack, not very judgung how this conservative congress and administration are operating. The country's infrastructure is collapsing around us, NYC's bridges are rusting off their mounts and I imagine the ame is tue for all major cities, drive around the country and beware of pot holes, the ATC systems at air ports are stretched to their limits and for what? Tax breaks for the already rich?

    • Since you want to "sock it to" the top 10%, perhaps you might want to study up a little on how much they already pay. For 2003 (the lastest year I could find data), the top 10% paid over 65% of the total Federal income tax while earning 42.4% of total AGI, whereas the lowest 50% paid only 3.5%, while earning 14% of total AGI.

      I wonder how much you want the top earners to carry the rest of the country?

      http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

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