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  • vasgothelong vasgothelong May 25, 2005 5:58 PM Flag

    Newsweek had the Story Right

    or is the FBI fulla Librels too!


    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An FBI agent wrote in a 2002 document made public on Wednesday that a detainee held at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, had accused American jailers there of flushing the Koran down a toilet.

    The release of the declassified document came the week after the Bush administration denounced as wrong a May 9 Newsweek article that stated U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo had flushed a Koran down a toilet to try to make detainees talk.

    The magazine retracted the article, which had triggered protests in Afghanistan in which 16 people died.

    The newly released document, dated Aug. 1, 2002, contained a summary of statements made days earlier by a detainee, whose name was redacted, in two interviews with an FBI special agent, whose name also was withheld, at the Guantanamo prison for foreign terrorism suspects.

    The American Civil Liberties Union released the memo and a series of other FBI documents it obtained from the government under court order through the Freedom of Information Act.

    "Personally, he has nothing against the United States. The guards in the detention facility do not treat him well. Their behavior is bad. About five months ago, the guards beat the detainees. They flushed a Koran in the toilet," the FBI agent wrote.

    "The guards dance around when the detainees are trying to pray. The guards still do these things," the FBI agent wrote.

    The Pentagon stated last week it had received "no credible and specific allegations" that U.S. personnel at Guantanamo had put a Koran in the toilet.

    The documents indicated that detainees were making allegations that they had been abused and that the Muslim holy book had been mishandled as early as April 2002, about three months after the first detainees arrived at Guantanamo.

    In other documents, FBI agents stated that Guantanamo detainees also accused U.S. personnel of kicking the Koran and throwing it to the floor, and described beatings by guards. But one document cited a detainee who accused a guard of dropping a Koran, prompting an "uprising" by prisoners, when it was the prisoner himself who dropped it.

    The Pentagon had no immediate comment on the documents.

    The United States currently holds about 520 detainees at Guantanamo, a high-security prison it opened in January 2002 for non-U.S. citizens caught in the U.S. war on terrorism.

    Former detainees and a lawyer for current prisoners previously have stated that U.S. personnel at Guantanamo had placed the Koran in a toilet, but the Pentagon last week said it did not view those allegations as credible.

    'MORE CREDIBLE'

    "Unfortunately, one thing we've learned over the last couple of years is that detainee statements about their treatment at Guantanamo and other detention centers sometimes have turned out to be more credible than U.S. government statements," said ACLU lawyer Jameel Jaffer.

    Jaffer said the latest documents show the U.S. government had heard detainees complain as early as 2002 about desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, including at least one mentioning it had been placed in a toilet.

    In another document, written in April 2003, an FBI agent related a detainee's account of an incident involving a female U.S. interrogator.

    "While the guards held him, she removed her blouse, embraced the detainee from behind and put her hand on his genitals. The interrogator was on her menstrual period and she wiped blood from her body on his face and head," the memo stated.

    A similar incident was described in a recent book written by a former Guantanamo interrogator.

    White House spokesman Scott McClellan last week said Newsweek "got the facts wrong." Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman last week called the article "demonstrably false."

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    • By: dgpeddler
      Date: 06/06/05 11:47 pm

      Once put in place, taxes NEVER end.
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      And you think tv has a better chance of going away first?

    • By: tyuip34req
      Date: 06/06/05 07:01 pm

      No more tv? Taxes will end before that happens!!!
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      Once put in place, taxes NEVER end.

    • Yes, you'll be able to go to an Indian reservation near you and pick up your chocolate duty-free. My junk food tax would be assessed as a sales tax at the point of purchase. There shouldn't be a need for $50k "middle managers". Who knows, my junk food tax might actually pave the way for the national sales tax some Republicans are advocating to replace the income tax.
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      So you think all those fat folks should be forced to eat three baked potatoes a meal and do without cake?
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      Hey, the Irish did quite well with potatoes (until the famine hit, that is.) And the French had enough of cake, er go The French Revolution.
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      Sorry, no more TV or phone service.
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      No more tv? Taxes will end before that happens!!!

    • I am not too concerned about my chocolate. I buy it for a dollar a pound right after Easter and have enough to eat half a pound a week. So you think all those fat folks should be forced to eat three baked potatoes a meal and do without cake? How about a $10 per person per week tax for anyone who eats solid food? We could then have a new section of government with workers who spot check households at supper to count heads. Of course, those people would have to make at least $50,000 a year and get government retirement as well as full medical. Better make that $50 per person per week to cover most of the expenses. An increase in income taxes can cover the rest. But a family of six would owe $300 a week and many don't earn that much. Well, we can just up income taxes a little more. I know, we have everybodys' paychecks sent to the government and then the government can pay all the bills. Sorry, no more TV or phone service.

    • LOL you are right about that. The problem with adding taxes is they never get cut and just keep being expanded. I can see someone calling ribeye steak and mashed potatoes junk food just to be able to tax it. Soon, everything that tastes good would be classified as junk food. And I would hate to give up my chocolate.
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      Well my thought is to tax based on a ratio of good nutritional content (ie proteins, carbohydrates, fiber, etc.) to poor (sugars such as high fructose corn syrup and the like.) This data is already broken down on the food labels the FDA requires.

      It took awhile, but cigarettes have finally been tabbed for the health effects & hospital bills they have generated. Why not do the same to combat the obesity and diabetic epidemics we're presently in the throes of? How many of the charity cases hospitals treat are due to poor diet and health habits? The taxpayer foots the bill, so why not pre-emptively spread around the cost? Sorry about your chocolate, I'm afraid it would get assessed.

    • If Comcast were to make a bid for Tivo which I doubt they would it would be closer to $6.50.

    • Tivo Ceo Has just released Statement
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      saying Comcast is looking for a bid at company
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    • Newsweek would make good toilet paper but it is too stiff. Wad it up, roll it around in your hand for a few minutes, and it will suffice, especially in the stinky, liberal john I am forced to use at times.

    • By: tyuip34req
      Date: 05/30/05 10:32 am

      Dr. Pepper?!? I understand your concern about my junk food tax. There's got to be a ton of refined sugars in that stuff. Probably enough to double the cost of it under my proposal (but hey, who said nationalized healthcare would be cheap?)
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      LOL you are right about that. The problem with adding taxes is they never get cut and just keep being expanded. I can see someone calling ribeye steak and mashed potatoes junk food just to be able to tax it. Soon, everything that tastes good would be classified as junk food. And I would hate to give up my chocolate.

    • Yup, it's all "pay for play" these days, namely campaign contributions.

      Canadian beer? So it's you fueling the trade deficit! You're probably buying those foreign luxury cars as well. Vasgo, tsk, tsk, tsk.

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