Allergan Inc. Message Board

  • digger0041 digger0041 Mar 18, 1999 8:59 AM Flag

    Botox...

    Botox I believe is one of Allergans drivers. They
    have monopolized the mkt for over 15 years. Now,
    competition has rendered their ugly ears and have their own
    Botox coming to mkt in late 1999 or 2000. I believe
    botox accounts for 125 million dollars in revenues for
    Allergan. Does anyone have any imput on this and any
    speculation to how this engaging competition will effect mkt
    share. And is the competitors Botox what is its
    strengths and weaknesses?

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    • SAN FRANCISCO, CA (OTCBB: BGIX )
      http://www.TheHealthChannel.com opens with a splash as BIOLOGIX producers set a
      new standard for Internet healthcare portals.


      Following a successful pilot test throughout the latter
      half of 1998, http://www.TheHealthChannel.com has
      returned to the worldwide web with a dramatic array of new
      product and service offerings.

      Sporting a new and
      improved look, as well as flexing the muscle of strategic
      partnerships with several of the industry�s leading new media
      players, http://www.TheHealthChannel.com has now
      established a foothold on its claim to be the Internet�s most
      comprehensive, entertaining and innovative healthcare supersite.
      This portal currently indexes over 2.8 million other
      Internet health and health-related sites, has direct links
      with an excess of 1700 sites, provides detailed
      coverage of nearly 700 medical conditions, and is itself
      nearly 250,000 web pages in size, establishing
      thehealthchannel.com as the largest and most comprehensive amongst all
      healthcare information, product and service competitors on
      the web today.


      http://www.TheHealthChannel.com states that: � We are in the midst of a
      revolution in the world of healthcare. This is all about
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      the power over health and well-being back into the
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      Not only does thehealthchannel.com
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      personalities, �On-Call� featuring online physicians and
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    • Are you telling me that selling products at less than cost is over. Less than zero margins on the .com stocks is ending. Oh be thou Net naysayer.

    • Oldeyeguy:

      Not too long ago, you posted a
      message about cash flow/share driving up AGN's stock.
      Appears you were right on the money!

      In case you
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      Best regard, the Deuce

    • completely forgot about the botox sales
      force....but i still have my reservations about the longterm
      creditability of elan,and lots of companies make claims about
      their pipeline....only time will tell...thanks for the
      correction.

    • Yes, I think I understand your earlier comments
      now, Dr. Pharma. R&D portfolio management cannot be
      done in a vacuum. Especially if R&D is the engine
      driving the going concern. I think most people would
      agree that botox has huge market potential due mostly
      to its off label possibilities. Cs for dry eye and
      other indications mentioned by oldeyeguy is an unknown,
      but novel, therefore big potential. Alphagan has been
      a winner, but yet another glaucoma drug to lower
      IOP. Ophs seem to try whatever new glaucoma drug is
      introduced, so alphagan leads in scrips may be
      transient.

      Parenthetically, can AGN people in the know safely communicate
      what is going on with Botox and pain, or any other
      product or therapeutic area for that matter. Possible
      grounds for disciplinary action same as anywhere else.
      Focus on what is now being so eloquently communicated
      by the CEO through analyts and the stock
      price.

      Speaking of stock price, the rise to the high 90s was
      attributed to 2 analysts upgrading their ratings. But can
      anyone explain the fall to the low 90s now? Is it in
      part due to the FDA warning letter about PR
      manufacturing site? Or is it AGNs track record of performing
      opposite of the Dow?? Regardless, I'm hoping it's a blip
      on the radar screen and the steep upward slope that
      started 12 months ago will continue.

    • Thursday March 25, 3:32 pm Eastern
      Time
      FOCUS-Pharmacia & Upjohn sees strong 1999 growth
      (adds byline,
      details and updated stock price in 2nd para, new forecast
      and background in 3rd, 4th, 10th paras)
      By Frances
      Hong

      NEW YORK, March 25 (Reuters) - Global pharmaceuticals
      group Pharmacia & Upjohn (NYSE:PNU - news) on Thursday
      forecast growth of at least 10 percent in first-quarter
      sales and full-year earnings, following a restructuring
      completed at the end of last year.

      Company
      executives issued the forecast at a meeting with analysts
      and investors here. The company's shares were up
      $1.06 at $59.19 in consolidated U.S. stock exchange
      morning trading.

      The executives expressed
      confidence that the company would continue to deliver
      consistent growth in earnings per share of at least 10
      percent. They predicted sales growth this year in the
      ``high single digits.''

      In 1998 the company
      posted sales of $1.58 billion in the first quarter and
      $6.75 billion for the full year. Earnings per share
      were 36 cents in the quarter and $1.58 for the
      year.

      The company, formed by the 1995 merger of Pharmacia
      of Sweden and the U.S. company Upjohn, said it would
      centralize its corporate management team at its new
      permanent headquarters in Peapack, N.J., at the end of the
      summer. The cost of the move is estimated at $55 million
      to $75 million. An unspecified charge for this will
      be taken against 1999 earnings, a company spokesman
      said.

      As part of its growth plans, the company said it
      would continue to make substantial investments in
      research and development and marketing and promotion to
      increase sales of its key products, including Xalatan, a
      glaucoma drug, and Detrol, a therapy for overactive
      bladder.

      In 1998 Xalatan sales totaled $332 million. Detrol,
      launched in April 1998, posted global sales of $125
      million last year.

      Analysts' consensus earnings
      estimates for the company are 44 cents a share for the 1999
      first quarter and $1.82 a share for the full year,
      according to the research firm First Call. A Pharmacia &
      Upjohn spokesman said the company was ``not
      uncomfortable'' with the estimates.

      ``Through our actions
      to date, we have created a new P&U, a company that
      is on track to become a high-performance
      competitor,'' said Chief Executive Officer Fred Hassan. ``We
      have now delivered four consecutive quarters of growth
      and double-digit earnings for 1998 -- exactly as
      promised. Our challenge now is to sustain the turnaround
      and build long-term growth.''

      The company also
      reported substantial progress in reducing its tax rate to
      30 percent during 1999 from 32 percent in 1998. It
      said the lower rate would align its tax position with
      that of its industry peers.

    • Thanks for your advise on whether to put money
      into Allergan at this valuation. Based on your
      comments, and those of others on this board, I think I'll
      take a seat on the sidelines for now, keep an eye
      (sorry) on the company and invest on any pull back. Who
      knows, maybe I'll be able to participate in some of the
      upside from the new cyclosporin product you mentioned.


      Can anyone offer advice on what the support level
      might be on this stock? I'm guessing $80 (represents
      30-32x est. 99 eps and 35-36x trailing).

      Thanks
      for your honest and well thought out remarks.

    • I visited Elan's website today. I was also very
      surprised at what they have become over the last 12 months.
      Stock's been hit hard lately but they have a number of
      pending NDA's at the FDA. Most notably, for those of us
      that follow Allergan..... Elan made an FDA filing in
      December 1998 for approval of Neurobloc (their version of
      Botox) for treatment of cervical dystonia. Couldn't find
      any mention of when they expect approval. Can anyone
      tell us if Neurobloc qualifies for FDA fast track
      review since it was submitted for cervical dystonia and
      there is no approved treatment for that disease?
      Another question, are Neurobloc and Botox different
      (botulinum Type A vs Type B)? If they are different (not
      generics)and Neurobloc is approved for treatment of cervial
      dystonia and Botox has no such approval, could insurance
      companies refuse to reimburse for Botox treatment of
      cervical dystonia because Botox isn't approved and only
      approve reimbursement of Neurobloc for that indication?
      How would this affect Botox?

    • not aware they had so much marketing clout. Kind of thought of them as a oversized biotech. Need to reassess.

      thanks

      p

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