As with most message boards, I get a sense that most posters are young in terms of finding value in the market!! I started buying the old Phillip Morris (MO) eleven years ago when the world was coming to an end with the lawsuits and the grave outlook for the company!! How did I do?? These are my cost basis!! MO-$10 KFT-$14 PM-$22. Now my point, is that buying value and having patience will produce the best results!! Oh, and how bout those dividend returns??