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  • whassup44 whassup44 Oct 19, 2012 11:16 AM Flag

    LNG Update

    LNG fuel suppliers are increasingly targeting the diesel vehicle market, which consumes 150 million gallons of diesel per day. Highway trucks are the primary consumer. Zeus has determined that at least 47 U.S. fleets have plans to use LNG, and the number of trucks fueled with LNG will soon exceed 4,000. Consequently, numerous new plants are under development.
    “The number of LNG fueled trucks on the road is expanding rapidly—as are the number of LNG fueling stations,” said Richard Kolodziej, president of NGVAmerica. “This new service will provide invaluable information to companies from producers to fueling station operators.”

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    • and at what cost are these modifications you're proposing robert? not to mention the cost of the compressor.then add in the range reduction. how long will it take to pay for all this? and after modifying your brand new truck('cause your chances of finding a used one at this point are slim to none) if it breaks down will the warrantee be honored?

      • 2 Replies to wskip99
      • I agree on all of these
        It seams you do now agree that their is no such thing as an lng engine
        And I agree their will be little to none covert ions
        and agree that for right now most long distance will be lng
        What I was trying to point out
        You have a home base
        Your using clne station now on lng
        You decide that you want your own station and use cng because its less hard for station and cheaper cost of chg and you can get it piped in
        You contact wprt and have them convert to cng your present lng trucks with an large order of cng trucks
        I do not think this will happen
        But I do think that a lot of companies are going to use cng
        You say have 30 trucks
        You add the extra tanks to new trucks and could sell lng trucks
        You would spreading the cost of the stations over a large amount of trucks
        You are now buying cng for 90 cents a gallon and with a lease on station at say 20 cents per gallon
        At those prices they will be looking at cng
        Cost of your own lng pump is more costly and you would have to have the lng delivered
        As I have said for years
        If the local gas company can run a deceit size pipe to you location than cng is cheap to put in and will be the winner long term
        Do you have gas at your house
        Are you getting propane at 50% to 100% higher than ng piped in
        That tells the long term for vehicles

      • as usual robert refuses to answer a direct question. back to the ignore list

    • cnle has bee in about how long?
      At the end of this year they will have less than 400 locations
      Ge replacement for clne 6 months
      End of year there will be 250 locations with their cng gas box

    • If you look as you do on the number of trucks using lng
      You also must look at the number of stations
      So number of trucks means zero
      For clne its how much gas they are selling per stations and additional cost or debt and so interest on stations
      In the past they had issued stock to pay for this
      This was awhile back as no one will will buy their stock for this
      And they can not borrow at a reasonable rate
      All their new stations are loosing money if you include interest must less being able to pay anything towards back office expenses which continue to go up as they keep given huge raise while loosing more money
      Working for them is the only thing that makes money
      Look what management is buying the stock for and what you are
      The new Virginia shows this
      They can not supply equipment because the money they have now will go to planed stations and all the money they will be loosing on them and cover huge back office expenses
      If you notice all positive people here never talk about profit,expenses
      like this above ,more sales but no talk about the cost of those increases

 
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