Designline with Capstone turbine gets much better gas mileage. 4-5mph for Daimler 8mph for Designline w/Capstone.
Designline with Capstone also much cleaner ride.
Only reasons I can see. Designline w/Capstone not quite ready to mass produce. Not quite sure about this.
Or the tried and true reason, go with your back door banging buddies. I am most certain reason is number two, IMO. Know what I mean Guido. You think I'm funny. Badda Bing. Kiss the Don.
The Daimler bus is more of a 'diesel electric drive' than a true hybrid. It has a large ICE turning a large (150kW?) generator, and a very small battery bank supplying less than 10 minutes motoring at full power. It appears that the engine has to be on most of the time, and the batteries are there for when extra power is needed.
It will necessarily be much more polluting and get less mpg than the DesignLine approach, but I guess will involve less battery expenses.
Just to continue a little while longer.
Since we all agree, the old Don Corleone network is at work here. Right?
800 busses running appr. 100 miles per day.
That's 80,000 miles per day.
With me so far?
Daimler bus gets say 5 miles per gallon.
That's 16,000 gallons of gas per day.
Let's times that by $3 per gallon=$48,000 in gas per day
Now the Designline bus gets 8 miles per gallon.
That's 10,000 gallons of gas per day.
Times $3 per gallon=$30,000 in gas per day
For a difference of $18,000 per day in gas alone.
Still with me?
Multiply $18,000 X 365 days and you get
$6,570,000 in savings per year with the Designline with the Capstone inside.
Where I come from THATS A LOT OF MONEY!
Of course I am sure the people of NY don't care.
The greening of the city bus | CNET News.com
Send your figures to Hillary and the Dems and the NY
green activists I know that was Republicanism saving money,
like cutting taxes and saving lives!
Now you can weigh the extra gasoline cost against the jobs, economic development, sales and corporate tax, etc. gains by keeping the contract in NY. I work in state government and awarding a contract to an out of state (much less out of country) contractor when there is a viable in-state option is known as career suicide. That said, I think it is probable that Designline will get some of the pie. Getting a trial and then shut out is unlikely. Y.
Totally agree...that is the reason IMO too. NYC wants to get greener ASAP and Daimler can deliver (or be sued if not!)...but I still think there are significant applications-at the airport or shuttles used around town or rental car buses at the airport etc etc. Now...I think the ASAP mentality in NYC is and will continue to work in our FAVOR regarding the stationary applications. By far, huge!!
design line will get it's share of the NYC market in time.
They have the better buses and a long history of efficiency and performance. They are building a manufacturing facility in N Carolina and that will apease the unions and make it easier to get orders from USA companies.
From link on Capstones site. Go get it yourself, lazzy azz.
"The model averages eight miles per gallon of diesel fuel, or roughly twice as much as current hybrids."
Also, emissions "far better" and "quieter"