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  • LIVERPOOL_FC_ANFIELD LIVERPOOL_FC_ANFIELD Mar 31, 2001 10:13 PM Flag

    CORPORATE LIES.

    i came across a few disturbing articles that infuriated me that i had to pitch in and do my part.
    the articles can be found on the enviourmental
    websites. anyway i wrote the ceo of boise cascade and they gave the the usual pr. i then dug further into the facts and found that they replied to my inquiry with lies. i confronted boise cascade with a copy of the news article
    and they fumbled around trying to give me an excuse. i therefore implied that i could not trust a company that lies about their irresponsible enviourmental behaviour and vowed not to support their product line. i have also passed these articles around to everyone i know encouraging them to boycott boise cascade and for them to encourage others to join this crusade.there are thousands of people out there posting these articles on websites and newsgroups spreading the word about boise's irresponsible behaviour. for those of you who are thinking about investing into this company you may want to think twice. i encourage you to buy into enviourmentally responsible companies.
    here are two websites i encourage you to look at. you will see how unpopular this company is with the public.

    http://www.ran.org/info_center/aa/boise.html#background

    http://www.rainforestweb.org/pages/cascada.php

    thank you.

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    • Rio Grande do Sul. Whose capital is Porto Alegre.

      I see some people still can't understand what they read. From my previous posts I never inferred that BC was responsible for any wrong doing in Brazil. I mentioned the great bear region and the Chilean project. BC has FSC certification in Southern Brazil.

      Brazil does have a rainforest problem in the Amazon. Illegal logging by locals and other foreign companies.
      Clearing for agricultural purposes, forest fires,mining,urban development etc.

      Now I have a test for you. What is this region famous for?
      And what is important about the Parana' River? What is north and west of this region, and what is it noted for?

      Lets see if all you care about is profit or if you actually know something about the country you are in.

      respectively,
      liverpool_fc

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    • Here is an article about the sfi from the Associate Director of The Adirondack Ecological Center

      ".....This is because of the National Sustainable Forestry Initiative developed by the American Forest & Paper Association. The initiative calls upon forest product companies to manage forests to meet the needs of people today and in the future. At the same time companies work to conserve soil, air and water quality and they need to preserve wildlife and fish habitats and woodland asethics. The program is totally self imposed , and the AF&PA member company is responsible to implement programs to educate and train other landowners and harvesters to follow its lead....."

      Once again I am glad to hear of your projects and conviction to the conservation of our planet. But like the article said this initiative was developed by the AF&PA and self imposed. Now that I know more about the sfi, sounds like putting the fox to guard the henhouse. They are following these procedures.
      However they have been found logging in the great bear region. It's on film. The BC rep. interviewed admitted so.
      I am aware of smartwood and the fsc. But this does not pertain to my original point.
      The bottom line is that we need to stop logging in regions that are considered delicate and are known habitat for wildlife.
      You are correct, BC is not the only company in this region. However they are still responsible for the damage done.

      respectively,
      liverpool_fc.

    • You can believe what you want. But SFI compliance is audited by a third party committee not industry. Several companies have been critized by the industry for not following the guidelines and have lost membership in AFPA.

      I know here in MN all lands harvested are reforested thru regeneration or replanting. As a local I spend a lot of time in the field in many different areas.The only land that is not reforested and it is sad is the rapid sprawl of the Twin Cities and Duluth into the forests.

      We can just say we have different views.

    • Here is an article about the sfi from the Associate Director of The Adirondack Ecological Center

      ".....This is because of the National Sustainable Forestry Initiative developed by the American Forest & Paper Association. The initiative calls upon forest product companies to manage forests to meet the needs of people today and in the future. At the same time companies work to conserve soil, air and water quality and they need to preserve wildlife and fish habitats and woodland asethics. The program is totally self imposed , and the AF&PA member company is responsible to implement programs to educate and train other landowners and harvesters to follow its lead....."

      Once again I am glad to hear of your projects and conviction to the conservation of our planet. But like the article said this initiative was developed by the AF&PA and self imposed. Now that I know more about the sfi, sounds like putting the fox to guard the henhouse. They are following these procedures.
      However they have been found logging in the great bear region. It's on film. The BC rep. interviewed admitted so.
      I am aware of smartwood and the fsc. But this does not pertain to my original point.
      The bottom line is that we need to stop logging in regions that are considered delicate and are known habitat for wildlife.
      You are correct, BC is not the only company in this region. However they are still responsible for the damage done.

      respectively,
      liverpool_fc.

    • I originally gave you credit for actually caring but just misinformed. I now looks as though you do not really care to educate yourself on the subject.
      Just to see what you really know. Is Boise involved in the rainforest in NORTHERN Brazil or in a tree plantation in SOUTHERN Brazil (where there were not trees before) which are harvested on a sustained yeild basis? Come on tell the truth, you have never been there and don't really know much about it.

    • First of all the SFI is not a govt. run program. It is a third party program. Groups that are involved besides industry are the Izaak Walton League, Bird Conservancy and Wild Turkey Federation. They have the vision of protecting out forests and waterways and using wood off these lands.

      Second when I inherited my farm from my father-in-law the trees were natural. Those forests are still naturally regenerated. They are not plantations. The parts that are being developed as Sharptail Grouse Habitat were old unused pastures that grew up as brush. Here in MN this has led to a great loss in Sharptail habitiat and numbers of the birds. I have spend considerable money and time restoring this lost habitat that was originally created by great sweeping forest fires. This effort has payed off. I started seening Sharptails in the field last fall. Probably the first time they have been here in 30 years.

      Third, I might be wrong but Great Bear Valley I belive was logged by INFOR not Boise Cascade and I believe that the Hardwood plantations in Brazil are FSC ceritified thru Smartwood which is what RAN originally wanted Boise to ceritfy there lands with. Personally I don't believe in plantations unless they are on formally cleared farmed lands. I know Duck's Unlimited has set up a program on land in the Mississippi river valley where former cotton fields are being replanted in Hardwood Plantations. The goal is to reduce soil distruption by yearly tilling to tilling only 10 to 15 years and reduction in herbicide and fertilizer use on the lands. Growing cotton can be intensive management. The environment wins, and the land owner also still has a valued crop.

    • Michelle Caruso-Cabrera for CNBC covered the latest Sector Update, BCC.
      http://www.topnotchpix.com/story.asp?mid=22641

    • what an eloquent and persuasive rebutal.
      i see you went to the g.w.bush high school.

      didn't you reply to me once about respect in the modern society.

      where is the respect for the native indian?

      you need to live in the big city for awhile then you will appreciate your planet more.

      read my other response to the ngc pictures taken of the great bear region.

    • the ngc pictures were not taken a few days after the "harvest". these pictures were an accumulation of years of logging in the great bear region. many valleys were cleared and none replanted. even boise rep. did not have an answer. she only commented that boise and the enviourmentalists brokered a deal that will reduce the number of valleys logged.
      you mentioned the sfi. everyone knows that most govt. regulations are tools companies hide behind when they want to justify wrong doing.
      everyone knows that most of these regulations are usually made up to accommodate the agenda of the industry which funds that specific dept.
      example the fda allowing rBGH to be used in our milk and not having the diary industry label the milk.rBGH has been banned in Europe, Japan and most other industrialized countries.rBGH was only tested for 90 days on 30 rats but was passed for human consumption.

      however i am glad to hear you practice replanting. unfortunalely many companies do not. BC is not our only target.

      i am just curious what was on your land before you farmed trees.

      as for South America, the Cambridge Scientific Journal in England did a piece 10 years ago about the rainforests being the lungs of the earth. they warned about the destruction of these great forests. if Boise has only one plant in Brazil, then that is one plant too many. Brazil has already lost 65 - 70 % of it's
      forestry resources. Why did Boise cancel the Chilean programme? pressure from the people and local govt. played a part. Boise will say economics did.

      Ran,greenpeace etc. get their data from govt. sources, the companies themselves eg.BC, and other scientific sources throughout the world and most importantly the local people that live in these regions.

      i would be happy to see the audit for BC. and in return you call greenpeace or RAN and ask for the sources of their data.



      respectively,
      liverpool.

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