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  • searchlight1942 searchlight1942 May 10, 2000 6:48 PM Flag

    GLX kills people with AZT (Combivir)

    And shareholders are GLX. SHAME on you all.

    LEARN about your company, and create CHANGE.


    The FDA dosent have the BALLS to pull the drug off
    the market, even though there is ample evidence that
    it--AZT and Combivir--is a worthless POISON. THe FDA,
    does however, know that GLAXO LIES about Combivir to
    the people, and has written official "letters of
    Warning" to Glaxo.

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    • Amen...Touch�...Its been a pleasure debating this
      with you. I'm thrilled the HIV positive "guy" is OK
      without "the" meds. He is one of the lucky ones. HIV� a
      truly mysterious pathogen.

      One last point...(I
      always have to have the last word)

      Regarding
      opinions of the masses.
      Have you considered where the
      science, truths, and opinions come from regarding
      HIV/AIDS?...Health Care Professionals & Scientists...I doubt these
      professionals would be seen on the Jerry Springer
      show.

      From the depths of my conscience, I hope/pray you are
      right.

      By the way...Tell you buddy SearchLight that this is
      not the forum for an HIV=AIDS or African AIDS debate.
      Maybe he'll listen to you. He is the one that has
      turned this investment board into a pissing
      contest....and I am as guilty as anyone for perpetuating it.

    • Alan Murray is the WSJ Washington Bureau Chief. He appeared on CNBC during a Money Politics segment.
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      GLX down 3/16

    • The Staff at JAGfn.com reported on the most recent coverage from CIBC World Markets Corp.
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      GLX Reiterated Hold

    • for the HIV=AIDS debate or the African AIDS
      debate, so I'll make this my last post.

      No I'm
      sure that GLX stockholders are not "banking" on AZT
      distribution abroad to skyrocket them into the ranks of the
      leisure rich, but I guarantee you they are happy with the
      prospect nonetheless.

      I believe in the maxim "Don't
      believe everything you read, but read everything." The
      guy who gave me that quote is "HIV positive", was
      symptom free for 9 years, but finally let his doctor talk
      him into going on the cocktails. Within *days* he was
      sick as hell, symptoms I won't describe, but stuck
      with it for a long time because the docs told him his
      "viral load" was low. Went off the meds, healthy as can
      be for the last four years. No, I *don't* know the
      long term effects, but there are a lot of stories on
      the website referred to which at least address the
      question.

      "To that point we should also be able to demonstrate
      the link between HIV
      and AIDS. For now,
      unfortunately, all we have to demonstrate it is a heartrending
      visual of the afflicted."

      The link between HIV
      and AIDS *must* be shown definitively before people
      who merely test positive for ANTIBODIES are told "you
      are going to die from AIDS." (Who knows how much
      *that* accounts for AIDS symptoms! Imagine being told
      that there is NOTHING you can do about your
      illness.)It is unconscionable to tell them that, and to give
      them expensive dangerous drugs, based on a HIV=AIDS
      claim made at a press conference with NO supporting
      research published at the time.

      "Sorry McRave, You
      have your opinion and belief and the rest of the world
      has theirs. The masses are usually right."


      Generally true. Of course that depends on where the masses
      get their information, misinformation and
      disinformation.

    • Your arguments are almost the same, but I
      sincerely appreciate the difference between your delivery
      and SearchLight's. SearchLight belongs in a padded
      cell.

      To your points...

      "the folks who are looking
      to enrich themselves as stockholders are pleased
      with the prospect of large-scale WHO-funded
      distribution of AZT abroad."

      A large-scale WHO-funded
      distribution of AZT abroad alone is not going to get GLX's
      stock price out of it's lack-luster anemic
      3-year
      trading range of 49-72. Holders and buyers of GLX are not
      banking on AZT...I assure you.

      "(
      http://www.aliveandwell.org )"

      Again...don't believe everything you
      read...especially in light of a "real-life" experience to the HIV
      malady. See it...Believe it.
      I know the protease
      inhibitors and cocktails often make the HIV infected patient
      very ill. Common sense would say that stopping these
      drugs will make them feel better. What happens 6
      months, 1 year, 2 years down the road to these "healthy
      feeling" drug free people? Do you know the answer to
      this?

      "There are tens (hundreds?)of thousands of papers
      supporting, corroborating, confirming the causative link
      between HIV and AIDS. There is not ONE *demonstrating*
      it."

      If you read a package insert from any drug on the
      market, it will say, "Unknown" under the "mechanism of
      action" section. My point is...Medicine is an art...it is
      not an exact science. Perhaps one day we will be able
      to demonstrate exactly how drugs work. To that point
      we should also be able to demonstrate the link
      between HIV and AIDS. For now, unfortunately, all we have
      to demonstrate it is a heartrending visual of the
      afflicted.

      "Your giving Africa as an example astounds
      me."

      McRave...tell me honestly...what is killing the young and old
      population of South Africa. We know how to diagnose and
      treat Malaria, Dysentery, Flesh Eating Strep, Typhus,
      Scurvy, Starvation, etc....Why are the people of South
      Africa still dying?

      Sorry McRave, You have your
      opinion and belief and the rest of the world has theirs.
      The masses are usaully right.

    • Your point is well taken, that GLX has more than
      AZT to offer. But you have to admit that the folks
      who are looking to enrich themselves as stockholders
      are pleased with the prospect of large-scale
      WHO-funded distribution of AZT abroad.

      AZT is MORE
      than merely a dangerous drug. AZT was used briefly in
      the 60's as a chemotherapy drug, and shelved
      precicely because it is too toxic.

      Go to the Alive
      and Well website ( http://www.aliveandwell.org )for
      success stories of those who have eschewed protease
      inhibitors and cocktails and simply avoid risk behavior and
      take mundane steps like exercising and eating
      properly. Case after case of people who were sick as hell
      on the meds (when their docs were telling them their
      "viral load" was down, which was "good")and got healthy
      when they stopped. The Lazarus effect.

      There
      are tens (hundreds?)of thousands of papers
      supporting, corroborating, confirming the causative link
      between HIV and AIDS. There is not ONE *demonstrating*
      it. really. try to find it.
      Your giving Africa as
      an example astounds me. The notion that there is an
      AIDS epidemic in Africa is based on extrapolations
      that defy belief and the "Bangui definition" of AIDS,
      invented for the purpose of "proving" that AIDS is rampant
      in Africa, a world-class circular argument. (The
      Bangui definition singularly omits an HIV test in
      diagnosing AIDS.

      "Financial motives" is a difficult
      charge to level at the so-called dissidents; easier to
      point that particular finger at the pharms. Sorry.

    • You seem reasonable, intelligent, and fair. I
      appreciate your reply.
      But...I feel I must respond to
      your response.

      "However, because his audience
      is a group of people who don't necessarily BELIEVE
      in the company's ethical integrity."

      How do
      you know that the readers and writers of this board
      believe GLX has no moral fiber? This is not a one-drug
      company. In fact AZT was a BW product before GLX merged
      with them. You don't know GLX. SearchLight does not
      know GLX. I know GLX well enough and can prove it. GLX
      is not the evil empire. GLX is not the grim reaper.
      GLX IS a drug company whose destiny is controlled by
      outside legal and ethical standards.

      "I'm not so
      sure about that. His main complaint seems to regard
      AZT. He does NOT lie about its properties."

      I
      agree with the fact that AZT is a dangerous
      drug...which is why it can only be obtained by prescription
      only, and the patient must be supervised by a doctor
      during treatment. Get serious McRave, AIDS is NOT a
      sprained ankle. Serious life threatening conditions call
      for serious "sometimes controversial" treatment.
      Cancer chemotherapy is toxic! Sometimes it kills the
      patient before the cancer does...Does that mean we should
      not treat the cancer?

      "Fact is, the largest
      group of HEALTHY people who have HIV antibodies in
      their blood are those who do NOT take the
      cocktails."

      You'll need to back this point up. I don't buy it. If
      you are at risk..ie..gay, iv drug user, etc, and the
      virus gains entry into your body and you test positive,
      (ie: you have HIV antibodies in your blood) or don't
      test at all for AIDS...it is a matter of a few short
      weeks or months before the virus ravages your immune
      system...AIDS chemotherapy can put the virus into
      check......

      "As far as "HIV denial" is concerned, there are some
      75,000 scientific papers dealing with HIV and AIDS. Not
      a single one sets out to show that HIV is the CAUSE
      of AIDS. Not one. Don't you find that
      strange?"

      There are several hundred thousand scientific papers
      demonstrating that a link exists. That AIDS and HIV are real.
      We have yet to isolate the virus that causes the
      common cold. Does that mean the common cold does not
      exist? Tell the population in South Africa that HIV does
      not exist. Tell the gay populations in large
      metropolitan areas that AIDS does not exist. I suspect both
      you and SearchLight would be educated rather quickly.
      The basis for my belief is I have seen it..first
      hand�up close�the disease, the untreated patient, the
      treated patient, the drug cocktail regimes, and the human
      misery that is very sadly part of the whole deal. What
      do you and SearchLight have to back up your
      arguments�A few scientific studies�renegade web sites put
      together by people you do not know, or will ever know
      whose motives I suspect are purely financial. "Punish
      the big bad pharmaceutical companies that squeeze big
      bucks from the poor afflicted for the treatment of
      AIDS." Get real McRave. Don't take my word for it, go
      out and see for yourself. Go on infectious disease
      rounds at a major medical center. Talk to the I.D.
      doctors, talk to the HIV patients. EDUCATE YOURSELF! I'd
      suggest the same to SearchLight, but sadly SearchLight is
      incapable of seeing beyond his own private Idaho.

    • I don't claim to speak for searchlight, but I
      would liken his posts to the attempts to "boycott"
      advertised products on TV shows people find offensive.
      However, because his audience is a group of people who
      don't necessarily BELIEVE in the company's ethical
      integrity, but are bound and determined to make a pile of
      money as stockholders, I'd say his chances are slim to
      none, and slim just left towm.
      "His lies, corporate
      slander, and HIV denial is a testament to his vicious and
      relentless cruelty to others."
      I'm not so sure about
      that. His main complaint seems to regard AZT. He does
      NOT lie about its properties. AZT is a known
      carcinogen, mutagen and teratogen(ie causes cancer, genetic
      mutations and birth defects) This is NOT a substance to be
      administered at all, let alone to pregnant women!
      "Would a
      doctor of medicine knowingly prescribe a combination of
      drugs that would eventually lead to the patient's
      death?"
      Is that a rhetorical question? Fact is, the largest
      group of HEALTHY people who have HIV antibodies in
      their blood are those who do NOT take the
      cocktails.
      As far as "HIV denial" is concerned, there are some
      75,000 scientific papers dealing with HIV and AIDS. Not
      a single one sets out to show that HIV is the CAUSE
      of AIDS. Not one. Don't you find that strange?

    • SearchLight's posts are repetitive. His
      references repeat like a broken record. His reference to the
      Holocaust is another repeat performance. Unbelievable that
      a person could compare the Holocaust to an ethical
      pharmaceutical company trying to find treatment for one of the
      most dreaded diseases ever faced by mankind. AGAIN:
      Responding to SearchLight is a sure way of keeping him
      around. SearchLight's identity, profession, purposes in
      life, and whereabouts are 100% concealed. His lies,
      corporate slander, and HIV denial is a testament to his
      vicious and relentless cruelty to others. Would a doctor
      of medicine knowingly prescribe a combination of
      drugs that would eventually lead to the patient's
      death?

      What comes first�A positive HIV test, or
      a visit to the doctor? I suspect someone with
      undocumented AIDS probably has been ill for months before
      going to a clinic for testing. SearchLight is a very
      sick individual. His real motives are unknown. He is a
      basher. If we ignore him, he will go away.

    • Is proof, at the very least, of your tenuous grip
      on the issues. Comparing a science drug to the
      Holocaust is a horrible mistake, and a sad display of your
      absence of judgement or even rationality. As the son of
      Holocaust survivors, you cannot begin to know how offensive
      I find your so-called arguments.

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