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  • palefire_us palefire_us Mar 30, 2003 9:46 AM Flag

    Thick layers of disinformation


    Again last night I switched on CNN and Fox. Spokesmen at press briefings are saying we are now specifically targeting the Iraqi leadership and that we have operatives in Baghdad scoping out the territory. I inferred hit squads, which would be wonderful news were it true. I got to thinking when I took the dog out that it would be simply insane to be telegraphing this information to Saddam if indeed it were true. I kept getting visual images of Stephen Segal hustling around Baghdad, or maybe an army of "slim" Stephen Segal look-alikes [body doubles] in the shadowy streets of the old city. And my better judgment led me to the conclusion that this is just a lie. Well, "try it, it might work." Not to scare Saddam, mind you, but to reassure me before I retire for the evening. Can anyone have any confidence in the CIA? How many spie scandals have they sufffered in the last three years? And if indeed we have operatives in Baghdad, why didn't they send us better intelligence. Also, the hints [again] that Saddam may be dead were hitting the morning news this morning. It is becomeing virtually useless to watch the news stations anymore. If I can see the disinformation campaign emanating from the Pentagon and the administration, I am sure a lot of others do as well. NPR this morning was reporting that our soldiers have been told that it could be up to six weeks before our reserves are in place to lay siege to Baghdad. Does anyone grasp what a disastrougs public relations campaign we are facing. Moreover, the military strategy appears to be largely discredited and everything is back on the drawing boards. In the meantime we have 100,000 Americans out there in the hostile Iraqi desert. Wunderbar.

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      The minds whom invented this war and execute it, is alien to truth and doomed.

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      Any paradigm shift had been received with massive negative critique in the history of mankind.

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      Thanks for the comeback. Then you have been asserting "beliefs" and not "knowledge" because you have no "proof" for your assertions. Correct?

      Did a Google search on Amit Goswami and read a critique on one of his books. Big on sweeping assertions, short on consistent logic, but I might give it another look.

      Got a problem with anyone who views the Universe as being "subjective," or that it wouldn't "exist" if no sentient being was able to perceive it. Doesn't seem to make sense as, at least to me and other rational thinkers, reality is "objective" in that it exists regardless of anyone's ability or willingness to perceive it. As a test, I'd invite anyone who disputes this to close their eyes and jump off a cliff. Objective reality will give them a nasty lesson.

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    • OK, thanks for the lead, but tell me tell; what is your understanding of the difference between "knowing" something and "believing" something, and what are your standards for each?

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