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  • jermarge2000 jermarge2000 Feb 28, 2004 3:41 PM Flag

    Got Clues? Island of Hate-E

    It has been at least 20 years since I first heard this analogy. Bear with me if I'm a little sketchy on detail, you'll get the drift.

    When Queen Isabella asked Columbus what wonders he had discovered in the new world, Columbus pronounced that he had discovered paradise in a location now referred to as Haiti. Columbus described the conditions there in glowing terms. He said that the climate was perfect, that the sea was crystal clear and teeming with fish. The food was so abundant that it fell out of the trees and rotted because there was so much of it. The natives were said to be the happiest, healthiest, friendliest ever encountered, and were god fearing.

    Upon hearing of this amazing discovery, Isabella pronounced that Columbus should mount a second expedition for the purpose of claiming this wonderful territory for Spain.

    A succession of european conquerers laid claim to Haiti, each more brutal to the natives than the prior. At one point, the French were alleged to have tortured, maimed and buried alive more than 500,000.

    In 1791 a voodoo priest by the name of Boukman, collected sufficient forces to overthrow the europeans, and establish Voodoo (Satan worship) as the dominent religion amongst the previously God-fearing population.

    You are aware of the rest of the story. Haiti, having once been declared to be a paradise on earth, is now well known to be Hell on earth, being the poorest, most strife-ridden country in the western hemisphere.

    Did the switch from worship of God to Satan worship have some bearing on the outcome? The continent to the immediate north of Haiti chose to worship God and did rather well for a period of 500 years, though a recent drift in belief appears to be creating similar problems.

    Just coincidence I suppose......

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    • Can't be right! Jesus was sent by GOD, Who so loved the world, He sent His only begotten Son for sacrifice to save US. All of us! It has nothing to do with religious denominations, it has to do with what is in every man or woman's heart.

    • And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the deciples came unto him privately, sayings, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus anwsered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these things are beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, ans shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
      Matthew 24: 3-14


      This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of thier own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
      II Timothy 3:1-5



      2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;


      2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    • This I can understand. Thanks for the heartfelt answer. Have a good weekend.

    • As arrogant, conceited, and self-absorbed that your reply was, will only be surpassed by me to have included you to my ignore list.

    • Emancel, it is my belief that you will find (not in a particular order)saved folks from these churches, including but not limited to, Baptist (1st 2nd 3rd, 10th, etc.) Methodist, Unitarian, Assembly of God, Seventh Day Adventist, Nazarene, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Church of Christ, Catholic, & Mormon.

      Now if you were to ask if all members of the aforementioned churches qualify, the answer is no.

      I mentioned in an earlier post that many cults will initially bait people in with the truth, and then attempt to indoctrinate the membership with lies at a later date. Most of the lay people do not care to know anything beyond the initial truths that attracted them and are saved!

      Some of the Church hierarchy will be swinging from a cottonwood by a hemp rope as it is found that they have suppressed or subverted some of the most important info.

      There will be plenty of folks who seldom if ever saw the inside of a formal church who will qualify also.

      Contrary to what the Jehovah's believed a number of years ago, there is room for a whole lot more than 144,000. It is now widely understood that the 144,000 will be a special contingent of evangelists who will speak throughout the world.

      Cheers

    • I'm really NOT attempting to avoid a direct answer to your question, it's just that I think that I understand the context that it is being asked in.

      The problem being, I doubt you would understand the context that I would be answering in.

      In all fairness to you, me and everyone who truly wants to know the truth, I believe a pragmatist such as I suspect you to be, should shell out the $19.95 required to obtain a copy of Bible Code 1.

      Until you begin to comprehend that mere logic will not enable you to uncover all that there is to know, I cannot offer you a satisfactory answer.

      You will be happy to discover that Bible Code 1 & 2 were not written by some raving Christian or Jewish fanatic such as myself, but by a journalist who claims to have faith in neither.

      Of course some have the ability to deny their own lyin' eyeballs when confronted with facts that don't match their pre-existing conceptions of reality, but the book will be enlightening to anyone who remains open to new possibilities.

      The tapestry which has been constructed is beautiful and simple on its face, but so intricate is the weave that the process of manufacture is as yet incomprehensible and unyielding to the human intellect.

      I will yield one small clue for your immediate peruseal. It has recently been discovered that the basis for all life, the extremely complex double helix, was somehow encoded in the Bible by.........a collection of ignorant sheepherders?

      Cheers

    • It can be broken down to one sentence. THE GOLDEN RULE. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

      No barriers, no one true religion, Christian, Jew, Arab, Musilum, Hindu, black, white, yellow, red, etc., all GOD's children, each is my brother. Satan and all his works is the enemy!

    • I presume your rebuttal was intended for Sulith?

      I will however respond that the Bible apparently predicts that the church that sits on the seven hills of Rome will be the Great Harlot that sits at the right hand of the Anti-Christ. In fairness, some believe that passage refers to the Masonic religion and offshoots thereof.

      You'll have to draw your own conclusions. See Re 17:5

      In any case, I know of no relativistic system that has obtained as humane a result as Christianity. Nor do I know of any other absolute system which has proven to be humane. Certainly not agnosticism or athiesm. Perhaps you subscribe to the idea that man is inherently good and will eventually evolve a system which provides fairness and justice? Witness the failing American attempt. An heroic attempt it was!

      If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

      Someone earlier pointed out that Christians were hypocrites. I pointed that out to my father in law a number of years ago. His response? "If you're so darn clever, then it's your duty to get involved and help straighten the hypocrites out."

      I'm still having difficulty coming up with a 'clever' resonse to his assertion.

      Cheers

    • No one is free from sin, no one! Judge not! We're all in the same boat!

    • The Spanish killed tens of thousands of Muslims in Spain, engaging in a very efficient ethnic cleansing of the Iberian Peninsula. The Jews were a small minority during the 800-years the Arabs/Muslims held sovereignty in all or part of Spain. They did exceedingly well, and were not persecuted. The Inquisition was truly brutal and on a massive scale. You don't know your history, dude.

      The Crusades was an even more vicious enterprise and led to tremendous death and destruction in and around the "Holy" Land. I suppose you will deny that the Crusades were carried out by Christians too? Or will you say the Muslims worship Satan and deserved to die and have their lands taken from them (temporarily)?

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