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  • jermarge2000 jermarge2000 Mar 7, 2004 11:37 PM Flag

    OT: Evolution

    >>>>>Finding hominid fossils in the same geological strata as trilobites, for instance, would be evidence against the theory."<<<<<<


    http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm

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    • jermarge, those are alleged fossilized "tracks," not fossils of bones in the same strata.

      I don't have the time or desire right now to try to find a link to refute that but from what I remember the alleged "human footprints" have been found to be either a) frauds (carved etc by someone) or b) not human footprints at all but rather bi-pedal dinosaur footprints altered by erosion.

      Jermarge, the easiest and fasted way for a honest, true believer with integrity (like you) to realize the creationist claims are false is to investigate the honesty of the creationists themselves. The creationist leaders have been caught misrepresenting science repeatedly. They could claim ignorance at first, but subsequently have been caught using the same lies again and again even after they originally admitted their error. As Reborn suggested, they know the laypublic will not know the difference and they apparently believe the end (discrediting evolution in the eyes of the uniformed public) justifies the means (lies).

      I was a born-again christian at one time. Even then the intellectual dishonesty of the creationists made me sick to my stomach.

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      • Theropods.

        I can show you a nice set of theropod tracks, mixed in with some duck-billed dinosaur tracks, just West of Denver, alongside the road where Alameda climbs up over the hogback formation.

        It's called Dinosaur Ridge .

        hhhhhttp://www.dinoridge.org/

        Regards,

        Jack

      • One point a forgot to add:

        Creationist intellectual dishonesty explains in large part why they don't publish in science journals. If they submit their work, the reviewers will catch their "errors" (whether deliberate or out of ignorance) and the work won't be acceptable.

        But of course nothing stops them from publishing a book containing what they know is incorrect information.

        (not all creationists are dishonest - Behe is a good example of an honest one who is simply mistaken)

      • <Jermarge, the easiest and fasted way for a honest, true believer with integrity (like you) to realize the creationist claims are false is to investigate the honesty of the creationists themselves. >

        This is absolute bunk! Millions of liars could endorse the theory of gravity without tainting the theory in the slightest. The validity of a theory is based entirely upon the strength of the correlation between the theoretically predicted results and the measurements. It has absolutely nothing to do with the credibility of the people who endorse the theory.

        Is evolution in any way less credible just because Hitler was a strong advocate of the theory? Of course not!

      • <<I was a born-again christian at one time>>

        Do you own a coo-koo clock Pal??

        COO-KOO... COO-KOO ... COO-KOO !!!

      • By: twelve_more_years:>>>> Jermarge, those are alleged fossilized "tracks," not fossils of bones in the same strata.<<<<<

        Here's the bones:

        http://www.bible.ca/tracks/dino-fossils.htm

        By: twelve_more_years>>>>>>"human footprints" have been found to be either a) frauds (carved etc by someone) or b) not human footprints at all but rather bi-pedal dinosaur footprints altered by erosion.<<<<<<<

        Snip>>>Naturally, evolutionists must explain this away, so they just say, "It is carved." They don�t need evidence. They know large mammals did not live with dinosaurs, so this cat track must be carved.


        Creationists on the other hand, test their hypotheses. We cross-sectioned the track with a view to looking for the possibility of subsurface structures. If the structures within the rock were randomly truncated by the foot-shaped depression, carving would be indicated. If however, the structures conformed to the depression, then there would be clear indication that the track was not carved, but genuine.

        This picture was photographed under black light to emphasize the detail of the internal structure of the rock.

        Internals structures in the rock follow the depressed contour. This track is not carved, it is a large mammal track found with dinosaurs.

        Please note who is "doing science," creationists or evolutionists?

        http://www.bible.ca/tracks/cat-track.htm

        By: twelve_more_years>>>>>If you want to learn what science says about the fossil record, talk to a geologist or paleontologist, not a creationist. If you want to know how old the planet is, talk to an astronomer or geologist, not a creationist.<<<<<<

        Faculty for Institute of Creation Research:

        Faculty:

        � John D. Morris, Ph.D., President of ICR, Professor of Geology

        � Larry Vardiman, Ph.D., Administrative Vice President, ICR Chairman of Astrophysics Dept.

        � Steven A. Austin, Ph.D., Chairman, Geology Department

        � William Hoesch, M.S., Geology, ICR Geologist

        � Henry Morris III, Th.D., Executive Vice President for Strategic Ministries

        � Dave/Mary Jo Nutting, M.S., Geology/Biology

        � Scott Rugg, M.S., Geology, Consulting Geological Engineering

        � Frank Sherwin, M.S., Zoology, Assistant to ICR President

        � Andrew Snelling, Ph.D., Geology

        � Debbie Brooks, B.S., Resource Development Editor


        Cheers JM

    • OHMAGOD!! Hominid fossil footprints found superimposed on dinosaur prints!! That means that astronomy, cosmology, geology, paleontology, botany, zoology and all the life sciences have been stood on their ears. Quick, somebody call MIT or the Academy of Science! Better yet, call Jerry Springer or The National Inquirer! LMAO.

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      • By: sulith2001: >>>>>>Finding hominid fossils in the same geological strata as trilobites, for instance, would be evidence against the theory."<<<<<<


        By: sulith2001:>>>>OHMAGOD!! {Your God? JM} Hominid fossil footprints found superimposed on dinosaur prints!! That means that astronomy, cosmology, geology, paleontology, botany, zoology and all the life sciences have been stood on their ears.<<<<<<

        Nope, just evidence against your chosen religious, humanist, superstition as you stated above.

        Cheers

        JM

    • Thanks for the laugh.

      And you think that constitutes evidence?