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  • beewok beewok Jan 6, 2010 11:24 AM Flag

    Just skip that democracy stuff

    conservatives don't like the dem's using the same tools their favorite politico's used when then controlled the house,senate, and the president's office. both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of this.

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    • <<conservatives don't like the dem's using the same tools their favorite politico's used when then controlled the house,senate, and the president's office. both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of this.>>

      That's very good except for the errors in fact and implication.

      1. Conservatives never controlled either house nor POTUS.

      2. Republicans took 40 years to accomplish a control Democrats had multiple times, and this with a strongly conservative component, but even then hardly a majority (of conservatives).

      3. It is merely rhetoric to say "you're doing what you complained they were doing" and you probably agree that's not a basis for determining what's right.

      a. That said, no subset of either party has ever done to candidates for the USSC what the Dems have done several times in recent memory. The response to Sotomayor by the Republicans was principled and mild, and she was at best underqualified.

      b. Far more important, what the Senate and Congress are doing now with HCR, including the processes of breaking parliamentary procedure rules, and trying to bind future congresses (Reid's amendment) is not merely using their power to try to silence (or bribe) opposing representatives and senators, but to overcome a clearly stated and known preference of the broad population: in short, they are trying to RULE us. In my opinion, there have been no prior examples of this level of faithlessness and perfidy of our representatives since the founding.

      4. Using whatever tools you think they had, please clarify when the Republicans, in 1994 with the Contract with America, were able to greatly reduce or completely remove a single entitlement program.

      Skip 1994. State any time in the past 60 years when some large governmental plan has been reversed and removed from the books (and not merely replaced with a larger version with a new name; there is no more "war on poverty")(Don't accept foboffs: federal welfare reductions by requiring states to support same are not reversals/removals).

      5. There is not a pendulum of political decisions in this country at the present time, nor has there been for the past 6 decades. The apparent swings are a "politicoptical illusion" during which a ratchet engages the swing while the liberals run things and is released during the return swing. Government grows, more or less permanently during the former, but it does not shrink during the latter, merely failing to grow as fast.

      It is a trick of the radical Left to make it seem that there is some kind of trading of punches, that "conservatives don't like the dem's using the same tools..." It sounds like it ought to be true, but it's not.

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      • Government grows, more or less permanently during the former, but it does not shrink during the latter, merely failing to grow as fast.
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        Amen. The Health Care (really insurance) Reform bill is nothing more than a framework (Dodd called it a "starter house") giving the Feds the right to intrude further and further, adding wings, dormers, building a g-d McMansion. By the time it really hurts, it will be another embedded program and take a revolution to remove. But no worries, mate, it'll be your kids' problem.

 
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