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  • happygambler34 happygambler34 Apr 19, 2010 2:20 PM Flag


    1. "Those who hammer their guns into plows
    will plow for those who do not."~Thomas

    2. "Those who trade liberty for security have
    neither." ~ John Adams

    3. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

    4. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man
    is a subject.

    5. Only a government that is afraid of its
    citizens tries to control them.

    6. Gun control is not about guns; it's about

    7. You only have the rights you are willing to
    fight for.

    8. Know guns, know peace, know safety.
    No guns, no peace, no safety.

    9. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay

    10. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

    11. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one

    12. The United States Constitution (c) 1791.
    All Rights Reserved.

    13. The Second Amendment is in place in case
    the politicians ignore the others.

    14. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do
    you NOT understand?

    15. Guns have only two enemies; rust and

    16. When you remove the people's right to bear
    arms, you create slaves.

    17. The American Revolution would never have
    happened with gun control.

    "I love this country, it's the government I'm afraid of"

    PS-I don't own a firearm, but will not deny
    your Constitutional right to own a

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    • <<< comment about "lawyers" pleading in the courts who determine fetal viability >>>

      Inventing my words again.

      Everybody involved in the courts, including the judges are lawyers.

    • <<Meanwhile, the Supreme Court merely established the MINIMUM basis for an abortion that would have Constitutional protection, which could not be restricted by any state or federal laws. >>

      Actually you don't seem to have clue as to what Roe vs Wade was based on, which was a woman's right to privacy between her and her doctor. But in the ruling, the SC limited abortions to when the fetus was viable outside the wound (considered 7, 8, and 9th month), unless the mother's life was in danger. It was a bad ruling, hardly logical consistant, and an example of the SC legislating from the bench, not intrepreting the Constitution as they are suppose to do.

      The funny part is your obama healthcare bill totally violates that woman's right to privacy as established by Roe vs. Wade. It will be used in arguments against that bill's constitutionality.

      <<States and the federal government are free to allow a MORE PERMISSIVE standard for abortion than the minimum standard accorded Constitutional protection -- that looser standard would simply lack Constitutional protection (the Supreme Court could remove Constitutional protection TOMORROW and the states could still choose to keep abortion legal). >>

      Criminal laws, regulation of health care, etc are all state powers. And no state supercedes the decision by the SC against third trimester abortions. The catch in Kansas' law was that it did not require substantiation that the mother's life was in danger other than two doctors' signatures on a piece of paper. No tests, no medical reports, etc. That allowed Tiller to break the law and get away with it, which is why he ended up getting shot by a vigalante who took the law into his own hands.

      <<Just like the Supreme Court can set the MINIMUM standard for gun rights, but states are free to allow MORE permissive ownership and purchase of guns than the Constitutional minimum.>>

      You are more full of shit today than normal. The Constitution is quite specific as to gun rights in the second amendment. Congress, not the Court, has regulated guns under the interstate commerce law. The past year, a number of states have passed laws asserting the state's rights to gun regulation by specifically limiting federal jurisdiction to the interstate commerce clause - guns produced out side of the state.

      <<The state of Kansas did not find that Tiller was violating their state standard -- if you want to be mad at anyone, get mad at THEM.>>

      As stated previously several times and once again for the lame of brain, Tiller was paying off the democratic politicians in his state, so they looked the other way. I am not mad at them - rather I find them morally disgusting, and I think they are the real blame for Tiller's murder.

    • <<Apparently, Crackeress was an attending nurse at each of Tiller's procedures. She saw the fetuses with her own eyes!!>>

      Want pictures resulting from third term abortions?

      Or maybe you should learn something from a proabortion site

      "Fewer than 1% of abortions are performed after 20 weeks, and they are extremely rare after 26 weeks of pregnancy" [Ibid]. Typically abortions provided in the third trimester are limited to cases of severe fetal abnormalities. "

      As I said moronic retardo. When you do not know what you talk about, you need to shut your stupid mouth.

    • <<So, yes, I know that statutes (which are passed by legislatures) make laws, not the courts. Duh!>>

      duh!!!!!!! That is not what you said retardo.

    • malformality (sic)....baaahahaha what is that? A baby who isn't "formal" enough?
      Go ask your doctor retardo. It is a medical term.

    • At what point would you consider abortion permissible?

      Since the vast majority of blastocysts/fetuses are spontaneously aborted, doesn't it follow the Lord is by far the biggest abortionist ever?

      Please, let Texas secede.

    • It isn't "lawyers." It's the courts. And they have established a series of standards that doctors are to apply in practice.

      boy, having another make up life according to your fantasies day, heh retardo?

      Courts do not establish laws, nor legal definitions. That is the function of our political representatives. Courts - most specifically judges, have the task of interpreting the laws when they make rulings in cases. Their intrepretations have been respected as establishing precedence, but this is an area that has evolved into growing controversy due to judges making intrepretations so far removed from the written law, that they end up rewriting laws far different from their intitial intent - otherwise called legislating from the bench.

      <<Ultimately, there will be areas of gray where the doctor has to make judgments as to fetal viability, weighed against health risks to the mother, in consultation with the wishes of the parents.>>

      Areas of "gray"? More fantasies as to what motherhood is about. Most third term abortions such as Tiller performed in abortion clinics (I think there are only two other doctors in the country in his style) are when the doctors have determined the fetus has some malformality such as downs syndrome or a club foot or an undesired sex, etc. They have absolutely nothing to do with viability of the child, nor of the mother, which is why her problem is not being handled in a real hospital by real doctors. Again, in those situations you pretend Tiller treated, you will see the OB/GYN treating the woman in real hospitals. If an "abortion" is deemed merited, she actually gets a procedure that has a very different name. And again, those situations are to the rare as mother nature has her own procedure - called miscarraiges - to take care of fetuses that are not viable. If the mother's life is endanger, they will take care of her in a hospital until deemed best to deliver the child ALIVE.

    • <<Legally, when the applicable statutes and the case law says it does. Duh. >>

      which is at birth.

    • <<< doctor has to make judgments as to fetal viability >>>

      What is "fetal viability"?????

    • ....Joe Klein, of course....who behaves like a rectal orifice, and thus is your lover!!!!

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