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  • jefftbone57 jefftbone57 Aug 24, 2012 2:08 PM Flag

    First Amendment kicks anti-tobac libs...

    where it hurts...freedom wins today.

    Now if those commies in Australia can be removed...

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    • <<but will after prolonged high temperatures Here doofus doesn't understand he's implying the material has dried...oh, wait, things don't dry regardless of the temp if humidity is high...clean up the crumbs...go back to sleep. >>

      Poodle, I am not at all denying that fires start more easily under drier conditions. What I am saying is that all else being equal, fires start more easily under hotter conditions.

      For a fire to start, a refion, often a very small region, must reach a temperature sufficiently high for that specific material. If the ambient temperature, i.e. the weather temperature, is already high, then things like discarded burning cigarettes do not need to additionally heat up the material as much to get the material past the threshold temperature.

    • Poodle's formula <<<<When temp in C exceeds relative humidity in percent, spontaneous combustion is possible for tinder...>>>>

      His formula says that spontaneous combustion is possible if the humidity percentage is lower than [(the fraction of the distance the temperature is between the freezing and the boiling points of water) times (the square of the numbers of fingers humans have)]

      The numbers of fingers have is a fundamental constant of Nature! If we had 8 fingers, things would spontaneously combust in Nature at a lower temperature!!!

      And Poddle, prior to humans existing, how did Nature know what rule to set for spontaneous combustion? Oh wait, you think that we just about always existed since the beginning of the Universe, starting in the Garden of Eden.

    • <<Idiot doesn't realize what is necessary for spontaneous combustion...there is no plant mass available in a desert, moron. What do you think you can burn in a desert? >>

      Oh Poodle, I asked you for a theoretical justification or empirical data tio supoport your OBVIOUSLY bogus formula.

      Quite a coincidence that the Celcius scale, developed solely to break the temperature difference between the freezing and boiling point into units that are the sqyare of the number of fingers humams have while setting freezing at zero would coincidentally just happen to be so tied with humidity regarding spontaneous combustion.

      If we had 8 fingers rathger than 10, that would have to change the temperature needed for spontaneous combustion at a fixed temperature, ROFLMAO.

      So justify your bogus formula. You idiots asre so stupid that you do not even realive how dumb your lies are.

    • Idiot doesn't realize what is necessary for spontaneous combustion...there is no plant mass available in a desert, moron. What do you think you can burn in a desert?

    • When temp in C exceeds relative humidity in percent, spontaneous combustion is possible for tinder...you'd not go up in flames because you're all wet behind the ears.
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      Completely absurd premise. Taken to extremes, humidity cannot go below 0%.

      The Atacama desert, driest place on earth, has temperatures ranging from 0 to 25°C. No spontaneous combustion. Indeed, no recorded incidence of spontaneous combustion has ever been recorded in any desert.

      In point of fact, there is often a degree of humidity required for ignition. Can you say "catalyst?"

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_combustion#Cause_and_ignition

      You lose. Again.

    • but will after prolonged high temperatures


      Here doofus doesn't understand he's implying the material has dried...oh, wait, things don't dry regardless of the temp if humidity is high...clean up the crumbs...go back to sleep.

    • sandale111@bellsouth.net sandale111 Aug 26, 2012 8:45 PM Flag

      <<When temp in C exceeds relative humidity in percent, spontaneous combustion is possible for tinder...>>

      Poodle decides to make up a mathematical formula.

      It also is OBVIOUS it is made up--why would the Celsius scale, a scale adopted so that there could be a nice 100 units between water frezing and melting, just coincidentally also give such as simple relationship involving humidity and spontaneous combustion?

      Could you provide a theoretical derivation, or provide empirical data? (Usually at this point, a rodent will tell me to "look it up".)

      Furthermore, your formula CONTRADICTS your previous claim that temperature is not a factor.

    • I'm with you$$$$

    • another_inoffensive_name another_inoffensive_name Aug 24, 2012 6:25 PM Flag

      Too bad Altria, cowards that they are, are not taking a role in the fight. They have failed to publicly challenge any of the government initiatives, including the nonsensical creation of the so-called fire safe cigarette, which tastes foul and goes out while you hold it, without providing any evidence of fewer fires due to falling asleep with a cigarette.

      If you saw the broad definition of fires due to tobacco usage, you could drive a truck through it. No one challenged the statistics or the conclusions, least of all our champion Altria. wusses and cowards...they are so self-consciously and self-righteously anti-smoking, you'd think they'd get on with putting themselves out of business.

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      • sandale111@bellsouth.net sandale111 Aug 25, 2012 8:16 AM Flag

        Algorithm Rodent <<including the nonsensical creation of the so-called fire safe cigarette, which tastes foul and goes out while you hold it, without providing any evidence of fewer fires due to falling asleep with a cigarette>>

        this idiot claimed to have a PhD in chemistry, but previously got high school chemistry stuff wrong.

        Had he been a chemist it would be obvious theoretically that those cigarettes are less likeely to start fires, and obvious that it would be obvious to scientists how to test the theory empirically.

        Those cigarettes burn at lower temperatures and go out faster. Therefore if they come in cintact with materials that are partially flammable--matterials that do not catch fire easily, but will after prolonged high temperatures--they will not cause fires that would be caused by hotter cigarettes that burn longer. And people actually test this directly--they throw the different types of cigarettes on different matterials, and see what happens!!!!!!!!!!!!

        I am reminded of this idiot who claims to have a PhD in chemistry not believing thatforest fires are more likely on hotter day--I don't make these things up.

      • nah...they simply learned a long time ago that engaging the anti's on ANYTHING would be used against them...since they have paid dearly for almost every smoking related incident (whether it was their product or not...pretty doubtful when you look at the historical market share) they have adopted the "yes dear, whatever you say" mentality. I don't agree with it but I think it works.

      • Too bad Altria, cowards that they are, are not taking a role in the fight. They have failed to publicly challenge any of the government initiatives, including the nonsensical creation of the so-called fire safe cigarette, which tastes foul and goes out while you hold it, without providing any evidence of fewer fires due to falling asleep with a cigarette.

        If you saw the broad definition of fires due to tobacco usage, you could drive a truck through it. No one challenged the statistics or the conclusions, least of all our champion Altria. wusses and cowards...they are so self-consciously and self-righteously anti-smoking, you'd think they'd get on with putting themselves out of business.
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        Altria/MO learned long ago there's no need to publicly challenge anything: they can just send in $$$ along with hordes of lobbyists to wine, dine, blow & bribe the US legislature into getting exactly what they want.

    • oh, how the 'tards in the moron posse are smarting right about now...guess there are a few judges who haven't been bought off yet.

 
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