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  • sandale111@bellsouth.net sandale111 Dec 19, 2012 6:24 PM Flag

    Attention Gun Nuts

    One of your co-nuts wrote: "I suggest you try to look up the number of people who are legally and successfully defended themselves against acts of violence by using a gun as their only means of self defense. The number is huge."

    Can any of you gun nuts supply the data? Greedyoil did not have actual data, and insisted that *I* prove him right.

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    • Annually, guns are used for self defense between 2.1 and 2.5 million times. According to the Kleck and Gertz study.

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      • Among Kleck’s findings:
        •For every use of a gun to commit a crime, there are three-to-four cases of guns being used in self-defense of a crime.
        •Assault and robbery rates are lower when victims are armed with a gun.
        •A gun is used in self-defense to protect its owner from crime 2.5 million times per year, an average of once every 13 seconds.
        •Fifteen percent of the gun defenders interviewed believed someone would have died if they had not been armed. If true, that’s an average of one life saved due to firearm self-defense every 1.3 minutes.
        •In nearly 75% of the cases, the victim did not know his attackers. In nearly 50% of the cases, he faced at least two attackers and in nearly 25% of the cases, there were three or more attackers. A quarter of the incidents of self-defense occurred away from the home.

    • You often - if not always - attempt to have others do your work. If you're so much of an anti-gun nut, I don't understand why the data is not at your fingertips, such as it often seems to be with your imaginary global warming, not to mention your anthropogenic global warming data. But let us not digress from the family of filberts, macadamia, brazil, to which you want to consign those recognizing the Second Amendment.

      Now he's only a statistician from Yale, who you will no doubt find some blog to refer to him without evidence as wrong, but you could start with John Lott's book "More Guns, Less Crime". You could also go to Amazon and read reviews by Business Week, National Review, Public Choice, Dallas Morning News, Wall Street Journal and Milton Friedman, in which they support his research and book.

      Of course, then you'd be partially informed and it might make you think.

    • One of your co-nuts wrote: "I suggest you try to look up the number of people who are legally and successfully defended themselves against acts of violence by using a gun as their only means of self defense. The number is huge."

      Can any of you gun nuts supply the data? Greedyoil did not have actual data, and insisted that *I* prove him right.
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      You are so lazy vermit. Always wanting others to your work for you. Posted on The Telegraph.
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      England has worse crime rate than the US, says Civitas study

      However, offenders are locked up for shorter periods than in comparable countries – raising questions about claims made by Ken Clarke, the Justice Secretary, that too many criminals were being jailed.

      The study found that England and Wales ranked highly in a survey of crime rates among more than 30 developed counries, based on the frequency of crimes recorded by police for every 100,000 people.

      For burglaries and robberies England and Wales had more crimes per 100,000 people than the USA.

      England and Wales was ranked sixth for burglaries – worse than Sweden, Slovenia, the Czech Republic, Turkey, Italy and Chile - and for robberies, England and Wales was seventh.

      For rapes, England and Wales was ranked ninth, worse than the likes of Norway, Poland, Sweden, Australia and Germany, while for car thefts, England and Wales was eighth – worse than Slovenia, Chile, Mexico, Greece and the Czech Republic.

      The figures, from the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, draw together crimes recorded by police in the countries studied and is published every six years.

      They date from 2006 because of difficulties in obtaining accurate comparable figures.

      Civitas said, where possible, it had cross-checked with more recent pan-European figures, and the rates were broadly the same.

      Among two other measures, England and Wales fared better, being ranked 16th out of 35 countries for “intentional homicides” and 19th for major assaults.

      David Green, Civitas’s director, said: “England and Wales are high-crime societies compared with other developed nations. We have a lot of crime compared with other similar countries.

      “Random checks of later figures for individual nations show that the ranking has not changed significantly. "

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      But hey, they have very strict gun control so all those rapists and thieves don't have to worry about their victims defending themselves and driving up the "violent" gun statistics. Vermit and #$%$ would call that success!!

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      • sandale111@bellsouth.net sandale111 Dec 19, 2012 6:55 PM Flag

        Rodentess, your co-rodent made a specific claim about the number of crimes stopped by people having guns. It was a specific claim, and I asked for the supposed data.

        You just posted a whole bunch of stuff about guns, none of which addressed the question. You will never pass the GED.

        What I am looking for is a report from the FBI (not youtube) or some comparable agency saying something like "In 2009 N number of violent crimes were stopped by intended victims using their guns."

        Get it now?

      • rodentologist@bellsouth.net rodentologist Dec 19, 2012 6:51 PM Flag

        "You are so lazy vermit. Always wanting others to your work for you. "

        No, rodentess, you want me to do YOUR work, and the work of your co-rodents.

        When YOU make a claim, it is YOUR obligation to prove it true. It is not the obkigation of people wwho doubt your claims to prove those claims correct.

        No matter how often I explain this to the rodents, they can never understand it.

      • Assault victims (most recent) by country

        Showing latest available data.
        Rank Countries Amount
        # 1 Saint Kitts and Nevis: 3%
        # 2 United Kingdom: 2.8%
        = 3 New Zealand: 2.4%
        = 3 Australia: 2.4%
        # 5 Canada: 2.3%
        # 6 Finland: 2.1%
        = 7 France: 1.4%
        = 7 Denmark: 1.4%
        = 9 Sweden: 1.2%
        = 9 United States: 1.2%
        = 9 Belgium: 1.2%
        = 12 Malta: 1.1%
        = 12 Slovenia: 1.1%
        = 12 Poland: 1.1%
        = 15 Netherlands: 1%
        = 15 Switzerland: 1%
        # 17 Austria: 0.8%
        # 18 Portugal: 0.4%
        # 19 Italy: 0.2%
        # 20 Japan: 0.1%

        Rape victims (most recent) by country

        Showing latest available data.
        Rank Countries Amount
        # 1 New Zealand: 1.3%
        # 2 Austria: 1.2%
        = 3 Sweden: 1.1%
        = 3 Finland: 1.1%
        # 5 Australia: 1%
        # 6 United Kingdom: 0.9%
        = 7 Netherlands: 0.8%
        = 7 Slovenia: 0.8%
        = 7 Canada: 0.8%
        # 10 France: 0.7%
        = 11 Italy: 0.6%
        = 11 Switzerland: 0.6%
        = 13 Denmark: 0.4%
        = 13 United States: 0.4%
        = 15 Belgium: 0.3%
        = 15 Saint Kitts and Nevis: 0.3%
        = 17 Portugal: 0.2%
        = 17 Poland: 0.2%
        = 19 Malta: 0.1%
        = 19 Japan: 0.1%

 
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