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  • btdt100 btdt100 Feb 4, 2013 3:55 PM Flag

    AGW REALLY?

    Top Swedish Climate Scientist Lennart Bengtsson Says Warming So Small, Not Noticeable Without Meteorologists!

    By P Gosselin on 3. Februar 2013

    A major Swedish online daily has an article about what one of Sweden’s leading climate scientists, Lennart Bengtsson, has to say about the global warming hysteria.

    Blogsite Dave’s Musings here has excerpts in English. Here are a few:

    We Are Creating Great Anxiety Without It Being Justified…there are no indications that the warming is so severe that we need to panic.

    ‘The warming we have had the last a 100 years is so small that if we didn’t have had meteorologists and climatologists to measure it we wouldn’t have noticed it at all.’

    The Earth appears to have cooling properties that exceeds the previous thought ones, and that computer models are inadequate to try to foretell a chaotic object like the climate, where actual observations is the only way to go.”

    More and more we are seeing the alarmists being increasingly marginalized. As the data pours in, their science is looking more and more preposterous.

    Hat-tip: Reader Henrik Mahlberg who comments:

    This is the first time ever that a real climate scientist is interviewed in a major Swedish newspaper (or TV/radio). In the past they have only interviewed alarmist with little or no scientific climate background. This is really astonishing from a Swedish perspective!

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    PS: Some of Lennart Bengtsson awards:
    2007 Rossby Prize 2007 by the Swedish Geophysical Society (SGS)
    2007 Elected Honorary Member of the American Meteorological Society (AMS)
    2006 International Meteorological Organization (IMO) Prize of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO)
    2005 Descartes Research Prize
    1999 Fellow of American Meteorological Society
    1998 Umweltpreis 1998 der Deutschen Bundesstiftung Umwelt
    1998 Member of the Finnish Academy of Science
    1996 Milutin Milancovic medal by the European Geophysical Society
    1995 Member of the Nordrhein-Westfälischen Wissenschaftsakademie
    1993 Member of the Swedish Academy of Science
    1991 Honorary Member of the Swedish Meteorological Society
    1990 Doctor honoris causa, University of Stockholm
    1990 Förderpreis and the Golden Rosette for European Science by the Körberstiftung, Hamburg
    1989 Member of Academia Europea
    1986 Julius von Hann´s Gold Medal by the Austrian Meteorological Society

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    • sandale111@bellsouth.net sandale111 Feb 8, 2013 6:39 AM Flag

      "Top Swedish Climate Scientist Lennart Bengtsson Says Warming So Small, Not Noticeable Without Meteorologists!
      "
      Rodentess then goes on to cite some of his awards, none of which compare to the awards held by the non-crackpot climate scientists.

      And how did he get those awards? It was by a "consensus" vote of colleagues, something she on other occasions says is meaningless.

      Furthermore, she cites a single person (actually she has cited a few more in the past) implying we should bwelieve him , but what about believing the multitudes who disagree with him. It is as if her hocket team has lost a game by a score of twelve goals to one, and she brags about how that one goal shows her team is very distinguished. She has insisted in the past that science be determined by scientific methods rather than by majority vote, but she keeps acting as if it should be determined by *minority* rather than by scientific meethods.

      • 1 Reply to sandale111
      • "And how did he get those awards? It was by a "consensus" vote of colleagues, something she on other occasions says is meaningless. "

        Not my words vermit but how else can you even attempt to make a point?

        There was once upon a time in the second centuryAD, a scientist/doctor known as Galen of Pergamon. He essentially wrote the book for medicine as it would be practiced for the next 1400 plus years. The "consensus" of support of doctors and scientists to Galen's theories was so strong, it was considered heresy to challenge them and doing such bought a fast end to one's career. Such was the state of medical science until the 1700's when the first successful challenge to one of Galen's theories occurred. By the 20th century, ALL of Galen's theories had been disproven.

        So much for your consensus of AGW that does not even exist anyway. As you know best of all, talk is cheap.

    • "‘The warming we have had the last a 100 years is so small that if we didn’t have had meteorologists and climatologists to measure it we wouldn’t have noticed it at all.’"

      Crackeress, I look forward to you hardly noticing the wildfires, 120-degree temperatures, drought, crop failures and dead cattle that you will enjoy during Texas summers in the coming years.

      I also hope you enjoy seeing $60 billion in tax dollars going to NY and New Jersey to pay for Storm Sandy recovery.

      I love it when rednecks have to pay money for Yankees' benefit. Baaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha,

      ***

      " PS: Some of Lennart Bengtsson awards:
      2007 Rossby Prize 2007 by the Swedish Geophysical Society (SGS)
      2007 Elected Honorary Member of the American Meteorological Society (AMS)
      2006 International Meteorological Organization (IMO) Prize of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO)
      2005 Descartes Research Prize
      1999 Fellow of American Meteorological Society
      1998 Umweltpreis 1998 der Deutschen Bundesstiftung Umwelt
      1998 Member of the Finnish Academy of Science
      1996 Milutin Milancovic medal by the European Geophysical Society
      1995 Member of the Nordrhein-Westfälischen Wissenschaftsakademie
      1993 Member of the Swedish Academy of Science
      1991 Honorary Member of the Swedish Meteorological Society
      1990 Doctor honoris causa, University of Stockholm
      1990 Förderpreis and the Golden Rosette for European Science by the Körberstiftung, Hamburg
      1989 Member of Academia Europea
      1986 Julius von Hann´s Gold Medal by the Austrian Meteorological Society"

      Crackeress, obviously Bengtsson is an Israeli who is faking data in order to get research grants. SwedishGate will prove that he falsified data by smearing Swedish meatballs on them.

      Of course she believes "scientists" instead of Lyndon LaRouche. Typical liberal.

      • 2 Replies to al.gore23
      • anal.gore23 looks forward to you hardly noticing the wildfires, 120-degree temperatures, drought, crop failures and dead cattle that you will enjoy during Texas summers in the coming years.
        =================================================================
        Chicken Little and the sky is falling. Goat boy bahahahaha. Get lost, Cassandra.

      • $60 billion in tax dollars going to NY and New Jersey to pay for Storm Sandy recovery.

        @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

        Idiot, ranting bull schict, blaming Sandy on AGW.

        Did AGW cause far more severe "The Long Island Express" in 1938?

        September 21, 1938.
        That morning a New York Times editorial entitled "Hurricane" concluded, "Every year an average of three such whirlwinds sweep the tropical North Atlantic between June and November. In 1933, there was an all-time record of twenty. If New York and the rest of the world have been so well informed about the cyclone, it is because of an admirable organized meteorological service" (Allen, 1976).
        Except for Charlie Pierce, a junior forecaster in the U.S. Weather Bureau who predicted the storm but was overruled by the chief forecaster, the Weather Bureau experts and the general public never saw it coming. Later that day, the greatest weather disaster ever to hit Long Island and New England struck in the form of a category 3 hurricane. Long Island, New York and New England were changed forever by the Long Island Express.

        The immediate effect of this powerful hurricane was to decimate many Long Island communities in terms of human and economic losses, however, the long term effects linger today. The '38 Hurricane created the Shinnecock Inlet and widened Moriches Inlet which, to this day, are changing the landscape of the south shore due to their influence on the natural littoral sand transport. History has shown that these powerful storms are rare but do in fact occur with long-term frequency. Case studies have shown that the next time a storm like the Long Island Express roars through, it might be the greatest disaster in U.S. history.

        Facts of the 1938 Hurricane (Francis, 1998)
        Peak Steady Winds - 121 mph

        Peak Gust - 186 mph at Blue Hill Observatory, MA.

        Lowest Pressure - 27.94 in (946.2 mb) at Bellport, NY

        Peak Storm Surge - 17 ft. above normal high tide (RI)

        Peak Wave Heights - 50 ft. at Gloucester, MA

        Deaths - 700 (600 in New England)

        Homeless - 63,000

        Homes, Buildings Destroyed - 8,900

        Boats Lost - 3,300

        Trees Destroyed - 2 Billion (approx.)

        Cost - $620 million (1938)

    • Saturday, February 2, 2013
      The Inconvenient Truth About Polar Bears

      "There are far more polar bears alive today than there were 40 years ago"... "polar bear populations are large, and the truth is that we can't look at it as a monolithic population that is all going one way or another."

      by NPR STAFF February 02, 2013

      In 2008, reports of polar bears' inevitable march toward extinction gripped headlines. Stories of thinning Arctic ice and even polar bear cannibalism combined to make these predators into a powerful symbol in the debate about climate change.

      The headlines caught Zac Unger's attention, and he decided to write a book about the bears.

      Unger made a plan to move to Churchill, Manitoba, a flat, gray place on the Hudson Bay in northern Canada accessible only by train or plane. For a few months out of the year, as the bay starts to freeze, tiny Churchill boasts as many polar bears as it does people.

      Unger packed up his wife and three small kids, and set out with a big bold idea. He wanted to write the quintessential requiem of how human-caused climate change was killing off these magnificent beasts.

      In the end, he came away with something totally different, Unger tells NPR's Laura Sullivan.

      Interview Highlights

      On wanting to write the next great environmental tract

      "My humble plan was to become a hero of the environmental movement. I was going to go up to the Canadian Arctic, I was going to write this mournful elegy for the polar bears, at which point I'd be hailed as the next coming of John Muir and borne aloft on the shoulders of my environmental compatriots ...

      "So when I got up there, I started realizing polar bears were not in as bad a shape as the conventional wisdom had led me to believe, which was actually very heartening, but didn't fit well with the book I'd been planning to write.

      "... There are far more polar bears alive today than there were 40 years ago. ... In 1973, there was a global hunting ban. So once hunting was dramatically reduced, the population exploded. This is not to say that global warming is not real or is not a problem for the polar bears. But polar bear populations are large, and the truth is that we can't look at it as a monolithic population that is all going one way or another."

      On moving his family to "Polar Bear Capital of the World"

      "We were in this town in northern Manitoba where polar bears literally will walk down Main Street. There are polar bears in this town. People will leave their cars and houses unlocked, and it's perfectly good form just to duck into any open door you can find when there's a polar bear chasing you.

      "People use what they call Churchill welcome mats, which is a piece of plywood laid down in front of the door or leaned up against the door with hundreds of nails sticking out so that when the polar bear comes up to pad across your porch, he's going to get a paw full of sharp nails."

      On Churchill's strategies for living among bears

      "There are definitely polar bears that come into town; there are definitely polar bears that will eat people's dogs. But Churchill has developed an innovative polar bear alert program. The way it works is you dial a phone number — 675-BEAR — if you see a bear, and a bunch of wildlife conservation officers will come by in a truck with a bunch of guns. And they try really hard not to harm the bears, and they kind of scare the bears out of town. They have a progression that they use: First, they will fire firecracker shells; then they move up to rubber bullets; and as a last resort, they'll move up to real bullets.

      "They don't want to do that. These are conservation officers so their job is to keep bears safe. Churchill also has a polar bear jail. These are for bears who keep coming into town and can't be hazed out of town. And what they'll do is they will trap these bears and put them in the polar bear jail, which is just a great big decommissioned military building. And they will give them no food, and they're given only snow to drink and then they wait until the bay freezes up. And when the bay freezes up, these bears can be released to go back out on the ice.

      "[The bears] don't want to be in town, they're just waiting for the ice to freeze. But if they're a hassle in town, put them in jail, give them a short sentence, and the problem is solved."

      On trick-or-treating when polar bears might be lurking around the corner

      "Halloween is when you're supposed to go up with lots of food and run around with your kids. So we were up there for Halloween ... and so what they do is when you go out trick-or-treating you go out with somebody who has a gun — whether it's a police officer, or a volunteer or someone from the military. They all come out and they help you go trick-or-treating. Now, they have one rule, which is that kids can't dress in anything white — no princesses, no ghosts — because you don't want to be dressed as something white in the darkness when there's a bunch of guys with guns looking for polar bears."

      • 1 Reply to btdt100
      • sandale111@bellsouth.net sandale111 Feb 8, 2013 6:45 AM Flag

        Rodentess once again tries to argue that an increase in one polar bear population implies global warming is not occurring.

        She cites someone arguing what she wants to hear

        "
        "My humble plan was to become a hero of the environmental movement. I was going to go up to the Canadian Arctic, I was going to write this mournful elegy for the polar bears, at which point I'd be hailed as the next coming of John Muir and borne aloft on the shoulders of my environmental compatriots ..."

        Already we know her new hero is a crackpot. He is not interested in the science.

        "So when I got up there, I started realizing polar bears were not in as bad a shape as the conventional wisdom had led me to believe,... There are far more polar bears alive today than there were 40 years ago."

        The reason for this is because of increased restrictions in that region on polar bear hunting. Shooting a polar bear in the head will kill him faster than global warming will. But that does not mean global warming is not occurring.

        I've actually explained this several times before, but like happysenile, rodentess just repeats discredited arguments.

 
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