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  • happygambler34 happygambler34 Feb 4, 2013 4:14 PM Flag

    IRS admits ObamaCare's annual cost: $20,000+ per family!‏

    News Flash:Participating in ObamaCare will cost the average American family at least $20,000 per year!

    The IRS (which is charged with enforcing the onerous penalties and fines of the President’s healthcare “reform” law) has finally released a cost analysis based on ObamaCare regulations showing that the cheapest healthcare plan in 2016 will cost average American families of four or five members $20,000 per year for the so-called “bronze plan.”
    CNSNews . c * m is reporting…
    “The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the IRS statement says.
    “Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.”
    So, your choice is to buy the bronze plan (or another more expensive plan) – or pay the IRS a penalty for being uninsured.
    But wait, there’s more…
    Under the IRS enforcement of the ObamaCare regulations, an uninsured child or dependent spouse will also trigger an IRS fine.
    CNSNews . c * m: “A parent will be held liable for ObamaCare’s individual mandate penalty if they don’t have insurance coverage for their children.”
    ObamaCare’s official name, the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act,” is quickly becoming the punch line of a pathetic federal joke at the expense of the American people!
    Sadly, this is just the beginning of the ObamaCare plague.
    The outbreak of ObamaCare regulations has only just begun. As we have warned would happen continually for four years now, American citizens are shocked by what is finally becoming clear to them…
    According to a recent Gallup report, many employers just aren’t hiring, and sixty-one percent of America’s small business owners cite “the potential cost of healthcare” as a major influence on their hiring decisions.
    Many unions, once champions in pushing for ObamaCare, are now having second thoughts about the impact on their members and the shrinking benefit packages employers can afford. Shortages of doctors are predicted to become the norm, as will lengthy waits for treatment. Small medical practices will likely be forced to consolidate to stay in business.
    Seniors stand to be hurt most by ObamaCare’s new “Medicaid parity rule.”
    ObamaCare is a massive law that is nearly impossible to understand by accountants and tax professionals when considering the initial 2,700 page bill and the 13,000 pages of additional requirements and amplifications that have been issued (so far).
    ObamaCare and the IRS/HHS mandates are unconstitutional and must not stand!According to recent polls, over half of the nation believes ObamaCare should be repealed, overturned, and/or replaced.

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    • sandale111@bellsouth.net sandale111 Feb 8, 2013 6:49 AM Flag

      "IRS admits ObamaCare's annual cost: $20,000+ per family!"

      Happykook cites "government hired hands"!

      And I also note that when the Commerce Department (or whichever department) gave numbers showing decreased unemployment numbers, this very same happyhypocrite told us that the government hired hands just put out what Obama wants people to hear. And now, regasrding the IRS "hired hands" he produces evidence contradicting his previous paranoid belief.

    • Sorry Ponce De Le-algore...the Supreme Court declared Obamascare was a tax---not medicare

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      Depends Boy, I wasn't talking about last year's Obamacare ruling.

      I was talking about Helvering v. Davis (1937), wherein the U.S. Supreme Court found that the Social Security Act was constitutional. The Roosevelt administration cleverly argued that collecting the Social Security payroll tax and paying Social Security checks were completely independent operations. The first lies within Congress’s taxing power, and the second lies within its power to spend for the “general welfare.” Because Medicare was an amendment to the Social Security Act, it is also constitutional, according to this reasoning.

      So Medicare was deemed a tax by the court from its creation

      Cumgobbler, don't you ever get tired of being humiliated?

      Baaaa ha ha ha ha ha

    • Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IRS admits ObamaCare's annual cost: $20,000+ per family!‏
      by al.gore23 . Feb 5, 2013 1:49 AM . Permalink

      Medical insurance evolved as a means to compensate employees so avoid absurd income tax rates

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      Partially correct. The real reason employers commenced offering employer sponsored medical insurance in the 1950's was and employment incentive to attract new employees in a tight employment market. It was a private market creation, which has now evolved into a government HIRED HAND dictatorship monster.

      Prior to then, we went to the doctors office and payed cash. I'd go to more family doc's office (even into the 60's) 7 at night and waited our turn, and when he was finished he charged 3 bucks. Medical costs are being driven through the roof due to growing government regulation, and uncontrolled legal expenses. Unwieldy tort actions have forced doctors to pay exorbitant malpractice premiums, and they add another 25% for unnecessary self defense procedures.

      Employer-sponsored health insurance plans dramatically expanded as a direct result of wage controls imposed by the federal government during World War II. The labor market was tight because of the increased demand for goods and decreased supply of workers during the war. Federally imposed wage and price controls prohibited manufacturers and other employers from raising wages enough to attract workers. When the War Labor Board declared that fringe benefits, such as sick leave and health insurance, did not count as wages for the purpose of wage controls, employers responded with significantly increased offers of fringe benefits, especially health care coverage, to attract workers.

      President Harry S. Truman proposed a system of public health insurance in his November 19, 1945, address. He envisioned a national system that would be open to all Americans, but would remain optional. Participants would pay monthly fees into the plan, which would cover the cost of any and all medical expenses that arose in a time of need. The government would pay for the cost of services rendered by any doctor who chose to join the program. In addition, the insurance plan would give a cash balance to the policy holder to replace wages lost due to illness or injury. The proposal was quite popular with the public, but it was fiercely opposed by the Chamber of Commerce, the American Hospital Association, and the AMA, which denounced it as “socialism.”

      Foreseeing a long and costly political battle, many labor unions chose to campaign for employer-sponsored coverage, which they saw as a less desirable but more achievable goal, and as coverage expanded the national insurance system lost political momentum and ultimately failed to pass. Between 1940 and 1960, the total number of people enrolled in health insurance plans grew seven-fold, from 20,662,000 to 142,334,000, and by 1958, 75% of Americans had some form of health coverage.

      • 1 Reply to happygambler34
      • Medical costs are being driven through the roof due to growing government regulation

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        Reeeetarrrrd, they are being driven through the roof by the LACK of government regulation. We spend TWICE as much as any other country in the world where the government is the single payer. Doctors, hospitals and pharma in the US make TWICE as much as providers in other developed nations.

        If all bills went through the government, then we would eliminate 25% off the top due to overhead and profit margin taken by insurers. Plus private providers could not cost shift to privately insured people.

        The fact is, private insurance premiums are rising much FASTER than costs for Medicare. The private sector SUCKS at health care insurance.

    • One day soon... we are going to PUBLICLY HANG all the lying leftist vermin like al.gore23 who infest this nation. I will celibrate that day by eating popcorn while I watch the crowd tear them to pieces.

    • News Flash:Participating in ObamaCare will cost the average American family at least $20,000 per year!

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      Lying POS, the "average American family" does not have 5 people in it. In 2010 the average American household size was 2.59 -- about HALF of Cumgobbler's idiotic claim.

      Moreover, the cost of medical care for a family of four is ALREADY more than $20,000, according to the Milliman Medical Index. For a family of 5 it is well OVER $20,000, RIGHT NOW. The private sector is ALREADY charging these prices; ObamaCare is not "causing" them, you idiot.

      Most Americans don't see those costs because employers cover most of them; all the new law does is EXPOSE those costs via a new box (DD) on the W-2 form. For instance my health insurance expenses, just for one person, were more than $7,000 last year, as shown on my W-2. That is what the PRIVATE sector is charging, you idiot. With Cumgobbler's endless Pap smears, I bet he costs the taxpayer $50,000 a year all by himself. The difference is that WE are paying for it, not Cumgobbler.

      If people cannot afford to pay those expenses personally and do not get them through an employer, that is what the health care exchanges under Obamacare are for. And the fines for failure to pay are vastly smaller than $20,000. Just don't expect any coverage as a result.

      It is so pathetic to see Cumgobbler whine about the costs of "Obamacare," clueless that the very costs he is yelling about are the ACTUAL COSTS NOW.

      • 1 Reply to al.gore23
      • Most Americans don't see those costs because employers cover most of them

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        More happy horse schict. Your right that the employee doesn't see "those costs", But the employee pays every cent if his/her cost of employment. The employer merely adjusts the employees compensation, and remits the employment cost payments to the various collecting organizations. If employee productivity doesn't cover the costs, walla.....no job.

 
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