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  • railsnstocks railsnstocks Jan 10, 2012 10:49 PM Flag

    SFL may be one of the better stocks to buy.

    Dividends and growth look real good.

    SFL is in a key position to capitalize on the market.

    With Iran looming in the back ground, SFL might be less than half price now.

    I think SFL could hit $40 quicker than people realize.

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    • Board members...canucanoe is wrong again, I have a financial program (Financial Tools) that does the math year over year...the Financial Tool program does not know the current share price (lol)...

      Dividends are compounded on the past dividends and not the future or past price of the stock..."all compounded dividends" are an add back to my starting share price ($13.40)...i.e. take the $13.40 and add or subtract the difference from the current share price and apply it to $34.00 a share will give a total return....

      Voodoo economics will never help a smart investor show a profit...! $tagg...!

      • 2 Replies to staggman99
      • Stagg,

        Please find your earlier post below.

        Please explain how one can compute a compound reinvestment of dividends if one doesn't contemporaneously account for the stock price at time of investment, at each dividend re-investment and "now"?

        As you wrote a week ago (below), you admit to doing this.

        Why do you continue to persist in such nonsensical and misleading dialogue?
        ~~~

        Re: SFL may be one of the better stocks to buy. 17-Jan-12 01:36 pm

        Board members...canucanoe is wrong again, I have a financial program (Financial Tools) that does the math year over year...the Financial Tool program does not know the current share price (lol)...

        Dividends are compounded on the past dividends and not the future or past price of the stock..."all compounded dividends" are an add back to my starting share price ($13.40)...i.e. take the $13.40 and add or subtract the difference from the current share price and apply it to $34.00 a share will give a total return....

        Voodoo economics will never help a smart investor show a profit...! $tagg...!

      • stagg,

        If your program only looks at dividends paid, and the compounding of dividends, without considering the trend of the underlying principal (in this case, the SFL stock price...)...

        isn't that the math model of Madoff's scheme?

    • Board members...The reason some investors cannot make any real money is because they do not understand compound returns...

      At this time my average price on SFL is $13.40 a share, yet my "total return" with compound dividend returns at the current price is over $34.00 a share...current long term dividend payout is over $6.00 a share, just run the numbers at a average dividend payout of 12% a year ($13.40 + $6.00 = $19.40 times 12% a year compounded = over $34.00)...

      More, this does not take into account other factors...i.e. a) Selling some SFL for profit and then buying back in again. b) Getting a lot of my shares on a free spin off from FRO (twice).,...

      I also make a few short term trades in the markets...but the fact remains that compound returns always win...! How in the world can investors make any money if they do not understand compound returns...? Good luck to all...! $tagg...!

    • M-gas...I guess that I am stupid (???), I doubled my previous position in SFL and now my capital gains are growing...

      I have almost finished my current portfolio tune up and it is working great...also, when my holdings are down I add more, and when they are up I start selling for profit...I always "try" to stay in front of the markets...at this time, my holdings are still on a very strong rally and I love it...

      Some people on this message board keep telling us we are investing all wrong...but they never tell us what the right thing to do is...I almost always post my buys and sells (it is easy to check out my veracity)...

      For the record, SFL is one of my core dividend holdings and I plan to add more SFL on any future price pull backs (that is how I make my money)...has anybody checked out KOG, PER and SFL today...? $tagg...!

      • 1 Reply to staggman99
      • stagg, just last month you told me that you reinvested your dividends all through your SFL holding period.

        You consistently also remind us that your focus is on dividends and stock price is secondary as you are a long term investor.

        As SFL has historically been wayyyyy above $10, are you sure your SFL capital gain is increasing or your capital loss is decreasing?

    • Board members...My current holdings are RSO, AGNC, ARR, RNO, PER, UAN, PETDX, GABUX, SDRL, KOG, and SFL...

      My current investment plan is to balance out my current holdings and also to add some FFC and AMHPF...I like FFC for a nice monthly dividend and AMHPF for another fertilizer play (potash)...potash (K) is in very short supply around the world and we cannot get good crop yields without it (and it is not cheap)...VERDE POTASH (AMHPF) has major potash holdings in Brazil and it does not have to be deep mined like potash up in Canada...

      To be honest, I think that Susan's investment plan seems to be working pretty good for her...she is getting her money up front without much invested or any high risk...I think that my investment plan is better than hers, but I also think she did better in the markets last year than I did...I still feel that my long term results (about 23% a year gain over ten years) with dividend add backs, compound returns and dollar cost averaging is the best investment plan...

      My opinion is, that the bad judgement in Washington D.C. will not go away go matter who is elected or will the European financial problems...we as investors will just have to make the best of it our self.....Good luck to all...! $tagg...!

      • 1 Reply to staggman99
      • I see war in Iran within 4 months. I see a lot of oil tankers sunk and rates could hit $300,000 per day since Lyods will no longer insure them.

        Unless Iran has a fundamental change in their attitutde towards nuclear weapons real soon, the obvious will occur.

        I would not be surprised to see tanker rates move up on the mere speculation that fire workds are about ready to start. Tanker storage of oil has already started.

        $40 in my opinion is an easy target based on the reality of the world now.

        SFL not only can afford the dividend, soon they can afford to raise it significantly.

        Time to buy. JMOA

    • I would pay $40 a share just for his daughter's!!!

    • Board members...I feel that a price target of $40 a share in 2012 for SFL may be a bit high...I think we will see a price rebound to about $17 to $18 a share in 2012...

      Last year (2011), First, I said that a year later we would not be able to find oil from the oil blow out in the Gulf of Mexico...crude oil is biodegradable and it is now fish food (I was right)...

      Second, I said that the nuclear meltdown in Japan would be around a long time...last week they said it will take at least forty years to clean it up and Germany is now slowly shutting down all nuclear power plants (I was right)...

      Third, I said that the subsidy on ethanol was keeping down the price of gasoline (we still have the mandate, but the refineries are not blending near as much because there is no longer a 48 cent a gallon subsidy paid to them)....gasoline prices are now increasing everyday and some are saying the gasoline will hit about $4.25 a gallon this year (I was right)...

      Fourth, I had a pretty good year even though it came in a bit below my investment target (my yearly target is 12% or better)...I was not right or wrong, this was almost a push (???)...

      On the other hand, First, I thought that IVR was a good buy (I was wrong)...

      Second, I thought that I had a bad soybean crop going...it was the worst soybean crop that I have ever had in fifty years...it was not bad, it was terrible (I was wrong again)...

      Third, I thought that Susan would fall crazy in love with me in 2011...it did not happen (I was wrong again)...

      That said, this is a New Year and I still believe in magic (lol)...Good luck to all...! $tagg...!

      • 3 Replies to staggman99
      • Stagg, I was going to post this earlier but thought I would wait. Recently, I read 3 separate stories about the possibility of the market peaking here. First, today I read a story about the individual investor bullish/bearish percentages which said that the bearish level has not been this low in a long time. In fact, the report said there has only been 12 instances when the bearish percentage was this low on back to back surveys (I'm summarizing the report) and when that happened, a correction ensued.

        The second story from two weeks ago was about Gann Theory. Gann was a mathematician who began trading stocks in the early 1900's and who developed a theory correlating time and price and the movements in stocks. According to Gann theory, the stock rallies typically last between 49 and 55 days. Day 55 of this rally will be this Friday, which also happens to be the day before option expiration.

        Finally, I just saw a story in the WSJ that said that Dow Transportation index has been declining and not following the Dow Industrial index up. No doubt the increasing price of oil has something to do with that.

        I note that there have been some good earnings and some good economic reports, but the 10 yr Treasury yield is still less than 2.0%. Last year at this time, the 10 yr was over 2.6% and seemed to be heading back into the 3% range. I've read that some see an S&P target of 1325, about 2% away, so there still could be some room for the rally, but I find it hard not to respect that this rally could be a little long and due for at least a correction of some kind.

      • charm, knowledge of the markets, I cannot fall in love with a Democrat as I am big in puupy luv with Scott Walker here in Wisconsin.....

        Glad you had a fairly decent year ..... Right now I am invested in AGNC, CMO, HTS (all naked puts) ERF stock and covered callls and naked puts, UAN and RNF naked puts....Am looking to get back into BBEP on pull-back to low if it occurs. Made some nice money on PER but closed out those positions, but would get back in when stock is at 420 area.... Happy investing to you! Susan

    • how do you come up with these numbers - $40.
      Why not $140?

 
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