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  • walterbyrd walterbyrd Jan 5, 2004 6:01 PM Flag

    sco-faqs - just getting started

    I'm just getting started on this. Appreciate comments.

    OUTRIGHT LIES
    --------------------
    - AIX audit
    - MIT mathematicians

    DUBIOUS CLAIMS
    --------------------
    - scox website hacked
    - scox bought vultus
    - Profitable Q4 in 2003

    BLUNDERS
    --------------------
    - Darl's trip to Japan
    - Showing the code at ScoForum

    SERIOUS THREATS
    --------------------
    - RedHat lawsuit against scox
    - IBM lawsuit against scox


    DUBIOUS CONNECTIONS
    --------------------
    - Canopy
    - Duetsch Bank
    - Microsoft
    - Sun Microsystems


    SCOX PUMPERS
    --------------------
    - Laura Didio
    - Robert Enderl
    - Danial Lyons

    TIME LINE
    --------------------
    - Jan 12 - Monday
    - Jan 26 - Monday
    - Jan 30 - Friday

    RESOURCES
    --------------------
    - groklaw.net
    - slashdot.org
    - osnews.com
    - lwn.net/Articles

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    • Hey, yo,,,

      You forgot the _most_ frequently asked question: "Where's the proof?"

      IBM has repeatedly asked for it. RedHat has repeatedly asked for it. Novell has repeatedly asked for it. The courts have repeatedly asked for it. Then the courts demanded it.

      That's when SCO told the judge that he should ask IBM for it. I guess that means that they don't have any? Could I be right? I don't know... So now I'll ask it. Where's the proof?

      I think the proof is as follows: Daryl has suffered some serious sh*t in the way of abuse as a kid. Now whether he was locked up in dark closets or whether his existance was confined to the crawlspace under his step-dad's house, I couldn't say. Someone should call Dr. Phill in on this one before he gets out of hand, though. (damn... too late!)

      WizLayer

    • What is Decatur?
      Can you supply a URL?
      -------------

      Decautur is the more objective of the two companies that provide ananlysis for scox.

    • << I'm just getting started on this and appreciate comments - OUTRIGHT LIES>>

      Lies from SCO management are bold, brazen and sickening. Here are just a few:

      Lie: We've gone in, we've done a deep dive into Linux, we've compared the source code of Linux with UNIX every which way but Tuesday
      Truth: Experts have shown that SCO used a simple, primitive text search based on a few keywords.

      Lie: SCO's expert witnesses are "MIT Mathematicians".
      Truth: Among various backpedaling statements, Paul Hatch, a SCO spokesman, wrote in a statement to The Tech ,�'To clarify, the individuals reviewing the code had been involved with MIT labs in the past, but are not currently at MIT.�

      Lie: SCO received the D&T Fast 500 recognition because of the strong UNIX market, IP enforcement and the Web services strategy
      Truth: SCO made the list because of revenue growth due exclusively to the Tarantula acquisition.

      Lie: The IP protection legal team is on pure contingency
      Truth: The legal team is billing at a 2/3 discounted rate with the possibility of contingent commissions

      Lie: Boies was compensated $1.6M for a contingent event
      Truth: The engagement agreement specifically excludes heritage UNIX OEM license deals; Boies is being compensated 20% of the $8MM Microsoft license deal, which is a follow-on extension of the first deal, a UNIX license deal not eligible as a contingent event.

      Lie: Invoices will be mailed to Linux users by October 15, 2003
      Truth: No invoices were ever mailed.

      Lie: We will show rock solid evidence at SCOForum in Las Vegas
      Truth: SCO was quickly shown to not have any ownership of the SCOForum evidence

      Lie: The Berkeley Packet Filter code in Linux is "obfuscated" SCO code.
      Truth: Jay Schulist, who never had access to SCO code, implemented it from scratch.

      Lie: SCO's 2002 UNIX source release was "non-commercial" and excludes 32-bit code
      Truth: "The text of the letter, sent January 23, 2002, by Bill Broderick, Director of Licensing Services for Caldera [now SCO], in fact makes no mention of "non-commercial use" restrictions, does not include the words "non-commercial use" anywhere and specifically mentions "32-bit 32V Unix" as well as the 16-bit versions."

      Lie: We have been off meeting for the last several months with large corporate Linux end users. The pipeline is very healthy there.
      Truth: The pipeline is empty. All inquiries have been to assess SCO's claims and liability exposure.

      Lie: We have done additional signups for Linux end-user licenses. We have a number of folks that are in the evaluation process, and we definitely have a lot of interest in what's going on there.
      Truth: During the earnings conference, SCO admitted that not a single Linux end-user license has been sold. Follow-on guidance comments warn that no such sales are expected in Q1.

      Lie: Our claims are not trivial.
      Truth: Based on evidence provided to date, SCO's claims are extremely trivial, debunked in a matter of hours

      Lie: claims that SCO has are both broad and deep.
      Truth: SCO's has made a breach of contract claim and a copyright infringement claim; all evidence presented to date has shown each of these claims to be trivial and unfounded

      Lie: These claims touch not, just not IBM, but other vendors as well.
      Truth: Exhaustive code reviews by other SYSV licensees, including HP and SGI, have shown that the only Linux/SysV overlap concerns a small amount of public domain code.

      Lie: (To the Utah Judge on 12/5) SCO will make a copyright claim in two days, but no longer than a week
      Truth: Many weeks later and a copyright claim has not yet been made.

      Lie: During the recent road tour, Blake Stowell indicated that core operations were profitable in Q3.
      Truth: Core operations lost $3.8MM in Q3-03.

      • 1 Reply to stdsoft0
      • >>Lie: SCO's expert witnesses are "MIT Mathematicians".
        Truth: Among various backpedaling statements, Paul Hatch, a SCO spokesman, wrote in a statement to The Tech ,�'To clarify, the individuals reviewing the code had been involved with MIT labs in the past, but are not currently at MIT.�<<

        "had been involved with MIT in the past" could mean everything, so I assume they did the plumming.

        >>Lie: SCO received the D&T Fast 500 recognition because of the strong UNIX market, IP enforcement and the Web services strategy
        Truth: SCO made the list because of revenue growth due exclusively to the Tarantula acquisition.<<

        *grin* I remember the movie. A typical B-Movie. Well, I guess I am not the only B-Movie lover who is watching the SCO Show. But to be precise: They bought 2000 the UNIX buissiness from original SCO, now Tarantella (TTLA.PK) for $ 300 Million in shares. They got them back for $ 4.4 Million in 2002.

    • OUTRIGHT LIES
      --------------------
      - RHAT opposes software copyrights (Darl's open letter)
      - Entire sales force selling Linux "licenses"
      - Linux "licenses" already sold
      - Boies on contingency

      DUBIOUS CLAIMS
      --------------------
      - SCO owns Unix
      - GPL unconstitutional
      - End users liable for IP infringement in Linux, if any

      SERIOUS THREATS
      --------------------
      - Copyright infringement suits by all Linux contributors

      DUBIOUS CONNECTIONS
      --------------------
      - PIPE
      - Baystar's veto rights

      RESOURCES
      --------------------
      - Decatur report

    • Good list. One thing that would help newbies is exactly what each of those deadlines mean. I forget what the Jan 30 one is about, and I've been following this sorry fairy tale for months now.

    • Nice list.

      Be sure to get the spelling correct on
      "Deutsch" Bank. We don't want to piss off the Germans.

    • > SCOX PUMPERS
      > --------------------
      > - Laura Didio
      > - Robert Enderl
      > - Danial Lyons

      Add Cohen to the list, even though it's been a while.

      • 1 Reply to hross_bjorn
      • I think this old thread could use some updates:

        SCOX PUMPERS/SUPPORTERS
        --------------------

        - Renaissance Ventures (invested early 2003, issued 2 reports claiming "SCO�s claims against IBM are well founded and that SCO has additional credible claims it can make against other vendors of Linux products."

        - Jonathan Cohen (invested via Royce, gave a good rating to SCOX on moneycentral.msn.com.)

        - Yankee Group analyst Laura Didio (Told corporate customers who use Linux that they should take SCO's claims seriously and suggested IBM might lose the fight but distanced herself from SCO by 2004.)

        - Robert Enderle (argued with his employer about SCO and now is "principal analyst of the Enderle Group, claimed it was easy to persuade a jury, delivered the keynote of SCO Forum 2004, is less enthusiastic since 2005)

        - Daniel Lyons (wrote favourable pieces about SCO at Forbes, stresses now that he wrote based on infromation provided by SCO)

        - Brian Skiba and Matthew F. Kelly at Deutsche Bank for a short time (who wrote they are encouraged by the potential for benefits SCO could derive out of the lawsuit. However, they also recognize the potential for a penniless stock as well.)

        - BayStar Capital (which invested US$50 million in SCO, later Larry Goldfarb testified that Richard Emerson, a Microsoft senior vice president, approached him "sometime in 2003" about investing in SCO)

    • Walter, Under OUTRIGHT LIES add:

      -Boies on contingency
      -Linux Licenses Sold (To anyone)
      -Invoices sent (August)
      -Linux Licences available (August - September)
      -Million lines of Unix in Linux

      Jury still out, but probably LIES:

      -Sue a Linux End User by 2/28/04
      -DCMA letters mailed
      -6,000 compliance letters mailed

    • >> OUTRIGHT LIES
      >> --------------------
      >> - AIX audit
      >> - MIT mathematicians
      - Boies working on commision (as the term is generally understood)

      >> DUBIOUS CLAIMS
      >> --------------------
      >> - scox website hacked

      I'd word this as "SCOX website brought down by DDoS attack." Also, I'd note content changes occuring during these outages.

      >> BLUNDERS
      >> --------------------
      >> - Darl's trip to Japan
      >> - Showing the code at ScoForum
      - Infringing header files

      That's my comments for now.

      Cheers,
      Craig

      • 1 Reply to krow10
      • OUTRIGHT LIES
        --------------------
        - contingency arrangement with their lawyers.
        - non-compete clause in the Novell agreement.
        - source code they displayed at SCOForum (it might have been considered an honest mistake,

        if Sontag hadn't continued to dispute what was already irrefutably proven).
        - letters about the "infringing" header files. The header files are provably original and

        are noncopyrightable in any event.
        - "MIA" MIT mathematician-cum-Estes-model-rocket-scientists. Either SCO lied to the public

        (saying they existed) or SCO lied to the court (saying they didn't exist).
        - AIX audits
        - claiming that they have revoked ibm's right to sell, support, or use AIX.
        - Linux licenses SCO claims they sold in August to a Fortune 500 company that was not MS or

        SUN
        - "several" other Linux license sales SCO has claimed to have made since the first.
        - the introductory price for licenses that was to increase on Oct 15
        - countercharges SCO claimed it would file against RedHat for copyright infringment and

        conspiracy
        - SCO was going to appeal the fine imposed in Germany



        DUBIOUS CLAIMS
        --------------------
        - SCOX website brought down by DDoS attack
        - scox bought vultus
        - Profitable Q4 in 2003

        BLUNDERS
        --------------------
        - Darl's trip to Japan
        - Showing the code at ScoForum

        SERIOUS THREATS
        --------------------
        - RedHat lawsuit against scox
        - IBM lawsuit against scox


        DUBIOUS CONNECTIONS
        --------------------
        - Canopy
        - Duetsch Bank
        - Microsoft
        - Sun Microsystems


        SCOX PUMPERS
        --------------------
        - Laura Didio
        - Robert Enderl
        - Danial Lyons

        TIME LINE
        --------------------
        - Jan 12 - Monday
        - Jan 26 - Monday
        - Jan 30 - Friday

        RESOURCES
        --------------------
        - groklaw.net
        - slashdot.org
        - osnews.com
        - lwn.net/Articles

 
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