With all due respects to you and your erudite professor, the following fact is worth noting: America has never had a democracy even in its founding.
Democracy as applied by the Greeks consisted of every member of the village participating in a vote on a particular issue. In this sense there was direct individual participation, thus a true democracy! Whereas in America we do not vote, we elect someone to vote for us: The electoral college, who can, conceivably, disregard pur choice. So in no way are we or were we ever a true democracy.
BTW as for his reports on Bush, Gore, somewhat biased I'd say.
Please take your off topic thoughts to some other BBoard. This is a discusion group focused on Annaly Mortgage and it's investment potential. I have followed the NLY Yahoo bboard since it started, but will give up shortly if this political diatribe continues....I think I am not alone in feeling this way...
Dear Taught to
Thanks for the insult. Sorry that you find those who are not impressed by simplistic cyclical models of history intellectaully limited. Or is it my dislike of the antidemocratic tone of your friends remaks that set you off? Or is it that you are a Republican?
Ah, well. It is always easier, when you are unable to repond with reason and argument, to resort to the one-line comeback.
p.s. No point in responding.
No, the point is very clearly stated in the piece: the USA is closer to the end of her existence as we have known her than the majority of us think.
Your question only lends weight to that truth. Studies of every major world empire to date show a rise in educational level until a certain point, which would correspond to the "abundance" phase of the cycle. Then the literacy rate and other measures of educational success all start to decline, and the decline is always irreversible.
When you can read a simple post like the one you ill-advisedly responded to and not understand squat of it, we're on the downslope educationally. Sorry you wasted your time in school.
Congratulations on being a registered Republican and undoubtedly one of the MINORITY who voted for George W. Bush in 2000. You head your comments "Democracy" but seem to be afraid of democracy in practice. You quote figures on states and square miles of land won by W. in the last election --- everything but votes of people. Then you go on to point out that Gore's votes came from people you seem to consider suspect --- people who live in areas with high crime rates and high levels of government dependence. So, not only did Bush win the vote in the largest land subdivisions of our nation, he won the vote amongst the BEST people (the only people who should really be able to vote?) to boot. Just one problem, he LOST the popular vote. But thank God for the Electoral College!!! It saved us from a fate worse than death --- living in a country where votes of the people actually select the president.
p.s. I wish you well in the upcoming election. The Electoral College only works about ever 100 years or so to frustrate the will of the people. In January 2005, sadly, you may find yourself living in a country with a Democratic (and democratic) government.
At about the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in the year 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The University of Edinborough) had this to say about "The Fall of The Athenian Republic" some 2,000 years prior.
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the most recent Presidential election:
Population of counties won by:
Square miles of land won by:
States won by:
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Professor Olson adds:
"In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..."
Olson believes the U.S. is now somewhere between the "complacency and "apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy; with some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake in this election year and that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.