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  • gavinsox gavinsox Jun 20, 2013 11:06 AM Flag

    Where is the Bottom?

    NLY painted 12's today. Interest rates going up. Can't be good for NLY or the divi.

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    • Divi is Locked in at $.40 Ex July 27 pay July 29 must hold on July 1st

    • higherquality Jun 20, 2013 11:27 AM Flag

      It's hard to even guess at NLY at this point, but interest rates increasing by 75 basis points should increase net interest income by 20%, while damaging book value some unknown amount. Kain indicated that much recently.

      The difficulty is even guessing at BV, which should drop 3%, but future quarters are likely already completely hedged out (the risk I mean) by selling MBSs. It's impossible to know... contrary to the less than rigorous analysis you will find from "analysts"

      In Sept 30, 08 BV was 12.67, by Dec 31 08 it was 12.87 and by March 09 it was 14.67. Shortly after Dec 31st 08 the stock price of NLY was $15.25 PPS, or around a 20% premium over the BV.

      Granted those were extreme circumstances, of high volatility (sounds familiar)

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      • Thanks for the Refresher on 08' & 09' BV. It's so hard to predict if NLY's access to capital will be hurt enough to limit their ability and take advantage of the improving yield curve.

        Even with their cash position it's going to be a rough ride as their assets keep dropping, but I'm still counting on NLY's hedges to cushion us in the fall.

        It will be a hard one to hold onto, but where else is there that looks much better today...? I guess we could all go buy Facebook....

    • I think 12s low would be a good one. Interest rates have gone up but will flatten.. now time to adjust and move forward. :) The divi barely went down.

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      • higherquality Jun 20, 2013 12:27 PM Flag

        It will be extremely difficult to justify a price below $12 unless Q2 earnings are horrible (like the worst NLY has ever reported) which seems unlikely. $12 off even the most bearish BV prediction (which I believe is $14.25, a drop of almost 10%) would be a 17% discount on the book value. However, considering NLY dropped only 4.1% in BV in Q1 from Q4 '12. It's difficult to fathom a 10% BV drop from Q1 numbers at all, as this would beat even AGNC's suspected numbers and they are much worse off. Kain has been talking about interest hedging at the beginning of March of this year to prevent serious BV drop... that was way before this June interest fall out.

        The sort of persistent BV declines that are often sited on SA as a necessity (where BV drops to say, $11.8/share by Q1 2014) are based upon nothing at all, but particularly not based upon what is actually going on with NLY.

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