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    • He's not interested in challenging his own pet beliefs. You can't do that and survive in this biz. He's a beginner and has a lot of grief in front of him. You have to be flexible. Unfortunately, that's mighty tough in a stock as thin as this one.

    • [You state that, "If you go the NAZ page of any obscure stock you'll find much more robust institutional activity"]

      than in this stock.

      [and again you are incorrect.]

      Again? Where was I wrong in the first place?

      [ Federated Funds, a major institutional investor, bought over a million shares last quarter. CALPERS, the California State Employees retirement fund which has billions under management, bought close to a million shares the quarter before that.]

      So what?

      [There's only 32.5 million shares of VNWK outstanding. Major institutional investors are moving into the stock in a major way.]

      This year there have only been 7 blocks bought or sold, 4 sales and 3 buys.

      [During the third and fourth quarters of 2002 when Federated and Calpers were doing all their buying the stock never traded higher than $1.88 and most of the time the stock was lower than it is now.]

      So what? This is a reply to nothing. It's non sequitur.

      [You're wrong when you say that institutions cannot buy the stock at current prices.]

      I didn't say that. I said 99% of institutions are precluded from buying stocks under $5. Given the level of activity here and the Yahoo reported net activity of 179,000 shares for the last quarter, makes this stock institutionally non-existent. If a few institutions take large positions, it shows only tactical speculation of buying large quantities at low price and then sitting on the position come hell or high water.

      [They have and they are.]

      No detectable insitutional participation in a month here based on a study of every trade. No reports from other instituional traders of buy/sell interest. You can't even find circles.

      You've spent a lot of time and effort trying to make the fundamental case for this company. We are all indebted to your tireless efforts. There's no point in trying to stetch your conviction to where it fights other facts and to where it undermines your integrity in what counts: the fundamentals. Why not leave the price to the market which will surely reflect the fundamental value you confidently project and get off trying to exaggerate the effect of other people's buying and selling?

    • You state that, "If you go the NAZ page of any obscure stock you'll find much more robust institutional activity" and again you are incorrect. Federated Funds, a major institutional investor, bought over a million shares last quarter. CALPERS, the California State Employees retirement fund which has billions under management, bought close to a million shares the quarter before that. There's only 32.5 million shares of VNWK outstanding. Major institutional investors are moving into the stock in a major way.

      During the third and fourth quarters of 2002 when Federated and Calpers were doing all their buying the stock never traded higher than $1.88 and most of the time the stock was lower than it is now. You're wrong when you say that institutions cannot buy the stock at current prices. They have and they are.
      Byron

    • [Absolutely institutions CAN and DO BUY at any price they want when and where they see perceived value just as your post shows and from even lower share prices than current!]====
      ===============================================Nope, amateur. I spent years as an institutional trader and traders are required to know what institutions can't and don't do. Most institutions(99%) are precluded in their charters from buying stocks under $5. Reason is that 90% of such stocks go bust.=========================================================================================I never claimed to be an expert but you are an amatuer and a lying sack of sh*t and you know it, dumbhass!! Nearly all institutions can buy when and where they want period! Most of technology is under $5 and would go bust in your ludicrous twisted lying scenario. Burn in hel., you are WORSE than a terrorist.

    • [His first assertion was that it wasn't an institutional stock at all.]

      It isn't. If you go to any stock's NAZ page you'll soon see that VNWK is below institutional radar.

      [He has lied continually by twisting facts about sma's, ema's, bids, asks, share prices, institutions, ownerships etc.]

      When someone shows you're a clutz, your only exit is to accuse another of what you do.

      [Absolutely institutions CAN and DO BUY at any price they want when and where they see perceived value just as your post shows and from even lower share prices than current!]

      Nope, amateur. I spent years as an institutional trader and traders are required to know what institutions can't and don't do. Most institutions(99%) are precluded in their charters from buying stocks under $5. The reason is that 90% of such stocks go bust.

    • That's definitely a yahoo's way of escaping the admission that he doesn't understand the hokum he uses.

    • [The institutional ownership occurred at much higher prices. Most institutions, like 99%, can't buy this stock because of its price" is incorrect.]

      The below doesn't show that.

      [A long list of institutions initiated or added to their positions in VNWK last quarter when the stock price ranged from slightly higher to significantly below where it is now.]

      If you go the NAZ page of any obscure stock you'll find much more robust institutional activity.

    • His first assertion was that it wasn't an institutional stock at all. He has lied continually by twisting facts about sma's, ema's, bids, asks, share prices, institutions, ownerships etc.. Absolutely institutions CAN and DO BUY at any price they want when and where they see perceived value just as your post shows and from even lower share prices than current!

    • [VNWK is 35%+ owned by institutional investors.]
      So what? Responding to your continued and persistant lies about everything from sma's, ema's, institutions, ownership, bid and asks prices etc. etc. have prompted me to put you on ignore. American terrorist on ignore~ Congratulations

    • Your assertion that "The institutional ownership occurred at much higher prices. Most institutions, like 99%, can't buy this stock because of its price" is incorrect. A long list of institutions initiated or added to their positions in VNWK last quarter when the stock price ranged from slightly higher to significantly below where it is now.

      http://www.nasdaq.com/asp/holdings.asp?mode=&kind=&symbol=VNWK&symbol=&symbol=&s
      ymbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&FormType=Institutional&mk
      ttype=&pathname=&page=holdings&selected=VNWK


      Institutional buyers last quarter included T. Rowe Price, Vanguard, Legg Mason, Bank of America, Federated Funds, Pilgrim Baxter, and others. VNWK will be presenting tomorrow at an institutional investors conference. Obviously they wouldn't bother to do this if institutional investors couldn't buy the stock. The last time VNWK presented at an investment conference was on 11/6/02. The stock price then was well below where it is now but that didn't stop institutional investors from piling into the stock. 1.6 million shares traded that day.
      Byron

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