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  • frodofest2003 frodofest2003 Jan 2, 2003 2:51 PM Flag

    Top Ten Challenges for MSFT

    Can Microsoft deliver on any of these items?

    http://www.directionsonmicrosoft.com/top10.html

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    • "XP is for People (At this time an juncture of the universe). Got Milk? Got Sumptin Aye kin poot in ma Lapptaup, Dat Aye kin Auperate?"

      Yes we do, ma'am. May I have our credit card number?

      See the disconnect?

    • You are Correct in most of what you say... except, your not a MONOPOLY til declared a Monopoly.

      Til then, if you don't agreesively market, sell, and distribute your product to your best ability, your a Loser, a weak competitor.

      It's not a crime til you are a monopoly, then some of what you are saying is true.

      At this point, now they are considered a monopoly, they must go out of their way not to overwhelm their competitors. They must tread lightly.

      It's not considered a crime to use your "business" power to succeed. It is your DUTY to use all of your abilities to succeed.

      If you don't, I don't want to buy your product/service. If you don't eat Glass in the morning, if you don't talk the talk, if you don't desire to crush your competitors, if Your not hungry enough, I want to buy from your competitor.

      If for no other reason, than, I feel more comfortable with your competitor than you.

    • Well, no apparently you don't understand. Your argument is like trying to make square look like a circle....it doesn't work that way. First of all the computer doesn't necessarily require Windows exclusively to operate anymore. Remember hardware and software are two different things. Microsoft used strong arm tactics to FORCE OEMS in to a corner and RESTRICTED what they could and couldn't do using thier monopoly power. That kind of force is clearly against the law. It's one thing to enter a business agreement that both parties agree to and something else when monoploistic coercion is employed.....it's called crime.

      "I was always surprised that MSFT would sell their product to IBM, when IBM had a competitng product (OS2). Why should I (analogy) have my product in the stores showing that IBM WORKS GREAT with My product AND my competitors, F'ck them. Wouldn't give them the benefit of saying their product is equal to mine. It was foolish for them to do this."

      You do realize the first NT was based on OS2........They took IBM's work and ran with it........as they have so many times and with others before. Microsoft is not innovative and that's why they always had a compulsion to borrow and steal. Why should IBM trust Microsoft? They shouldn't given Microsoft's history. Microsoft owes thier entire fortune to IBM's talent and it's failure to see they were being out manueverd by Microsoft.

      The MS Monopoly is as serious as the Clinton impeachment....or do you think that was a media sham too? The problem is this monopoly is supported by the corporate whore Bush who is bought and paid for. If you read the decision by USDOJ you can see it clearly states that Microsoft broke the law. To make matters worse Microsoft lied and lied and lied to the judge to save face. Instead of redeeming themselves BillG and Co made complete asses of themselves. Microsoft ought to change it's name to Clintonsoft since they have so much in common with the former president. A monoploy which damages the economy, destroys innovation, and stops at nothing to destroy it competition needs to be brought down. And since the hypocrit Bush will do nothing the investors business and consumers will have to do it themselves.

    • Until someone stepped in and said we feel your brand is "unique" etc., their activities were well established practices by ALL.

      By the way, in most fast food and other establishments, it's Coke or Pepsi, not both.

    • Com'on, I've read your posts, your not dumb (a little over the edge maybe). You enjoy the banter, be a contrarian at any cost, even if you don't believe it, you'll find some way to justify your argument, for argument sake. Heheheh, I've got your number...!

      Put your emotions aside for a moment. MSFT's product, at this moment WORKS with most of our STUFF out there. Most people are familiar with it's workings, etc.

      I don't need to buy linux and bring a programmer home with me to install it. To make it work with all my other programs an games.

      I don't need to learn a foreign language to a:sys\run:setup..C\\routeitout..maybe.

      Mac's Great, dosen't operate 30% of the programs I have.

      If I have a problem, I call support and after an expected frustrating day or two, it works GREAT! What more could I ask for (facetious).

      XP is for People (At this time an juncture of the universe). Got Milk? Got Sumptin Aye kin poot in ma Lapptaup, Dat Aye kin Auperate?

    • >I believe MSFT still has (overall) a better product,

      Better than WHAT????

      LMAO!

    • Hehehe, My wife said there's no competition in the Wife market, she is a monopoly (or else, she said).

      I never said that MSFT was not a Monopoly or at least close to it.

      I objected to fodors post. There is a differnce. Difference is I believe MSFT still has (overall) a better product, and, I buy the stock cause, broken up I believe it's worth even more.

      I can only dream of having the problems that MSFT has, I WISH I DID, AND SO DO YOU.

    • My example was exactly like I described.

      Microsoft, goes to the OEM's, says would you like to sell my products (yes, install MSFT software into their hardware, I fully understand this concept);

      They both agree. MSFT says, if you sell (install) my software and resell it to the public, we will be exclusive partners.

      Anothers words, if HP wants to sell MSFT in their machines, it's done under an exclusive arrangement. If HP says NO, fine, I won't sell you my product.

      This is not illegal in the USA. This is done Everyday. These arrangements are more common than not.

      If you want to sell Sony TV's, you must SIGN a contract with SONY. Sony is NOT sold in most electronic stores. Mitsubishi TV's are not sold by Circut City. They WON'T SELL them to Circut City.

      STATE FARM is sold by EXCLUSIVE independent contrators.

      The list is endless. For many similar reasons.

      MSFT can refuse to sell their products to anyone (not a crime). In my case, we will only allow a certain few people to distribute our product. We want them selling our product, hungrily, desparately, with all their might. If our agents have every thing in their stable, they may not point out all the positives of our product, just plunk down all their wares and let someone choose by chance.

      I was always surprised that MSFT would sell their product to IBM, when IBM had a competitng product (OS2). Why should I (analogy) have my product in the stores showing that IBM WORKS GREAT with My product AND my competitors, F'ck them. Wouldn't give them the benefit of saying their product is equal to mine. It was foolish for them to do this.

      The US DOJ didnot say this was illegal. This was fodder for the news and general public. Mere manipulation of your emotions. It plays well on TV. Its not sinister. It actually is a good thing (that's another story)

      The issue is (primarilly) has MSFT become a monopoly in this industry. Answer from most people would be yes. Second issue is: will this continue or how should it be rectified. Actually from here, it gets especially complicated.

      It's not a "crime" to become a monopoly. It happens.

    • Fact: Without the Windows monopoly, Microsoft would not be making money.

      Conclusion: Look for Microsoft to be more anti-competitive than ever in the OS area, otherwise Microsoft would be in the red.

      "Combined, Microsoft's four other business segments lost US$375 million on revenues of US$1.16 billion in Q1'03. This makes public a fact that many outsiders have long suspected: without the company's immensely profitable desktop OS and application businesses, forays into new areas would be unsustainable."

      http://www.directionsonmicrosoft.com/sample/DOMIS/update/2003/01jan/0103dctmp.ht
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      • 2 Replies to frodofest2003
      • >>Fact: Without the Windows monopoly, Microsoft would not be making money.<<

        Without any companies profits, they would not be able to make forays into other fields.

        Fact: Most companies do not turn a profit on new ventures.

        >>"Combined, Microsoft's four other business segments lost US$375 million on revenues of US$1.16 billion in Q1'03. This makes public a fact that many outsiders have long suspected: without the company's immensely profitable desktop OS and application businesses, forays into new areas would be unsustainable."<<

        Conclusion: Three segments of MSFT are very profitable. The others are underdevlopment and will eventually be Disgarded if they do not perform. It's called Business.

        The Link you provided: http://www.directionsonmicrosoft.com/sample/DOMIS/update/2003/01jan/0103dctmp.ht
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        To prove your point was written by someone who analyzes computer sofware.

        Hardly one qualified (Obvious from his article) to respond on the financial aspects of a company. Never saw one sentence where he called the company to question why they've invested in other areas of the industry.

        Even still, it dosen't take a rocket scientist to wonder why MSFT would actually pursue other business interests.

      • "Combined, Microsoft's four other business segments lost US$375 million on revenues of US$1.16 billion in Q1'03. This makes public a fact that many outsiders have long suspected: without the company's immensely profitable desktop OS and application businesses, forays into new areas would be unsustainable."
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        Which is why William H. Gates III and Steve (Monkey Dance) Ballmer are so scared of Linux. Take away the desktop OS (with Linux) and Office with OpenOffice, MSFT collapses!

 
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