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    • George W Bush famously born again -

      At the age of 40 it was goodbye Jack Daniels and hello Jesus


      The Murder of Rachel Corrie

      WHAT HAPPENED:

      In March 2003, an Israeli jew used a bulldozer to murder an American girl protesting Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine. The jew-controlled media played it as an accident, and blamed the bulldozer rather than the jew responsible.
      Glen Barton
      Caterpillar Chairman and CEO
      c/o Benjamin Cordani
      cordani_benjamin_s@cat.com
      Caterpillar Inc.
      100 N.E. Adams St.
      Peoria, Illinois 61629

    • > Sorry. You disappear, he appears. It was worth a shot. <

      You are Paranoid. You often accuse people of using multiple aliases.

      What actual evidence do you have that we are the same? Do we even have the same views, use the same vocabulary or do anything the same? Perhaps you should spend some time away from the computer, wiz?

    • > 1. African countries are representative of
      > the world nations being prisoner to oil.
      > Most of the UN is as such.

      WHAT?

      Africa has no natural resources the US
      cares about, other than diamonds and gold,
      and diamonds can be manufactured now.

      > 2. No, the last UN resolutions regarding
      > territories state that 1967 is the legit
      > boundaries. So if you don't know then don't
      > give an opinion.

      You are again ignoring everythign I said.

      1) You didn't aknowledge or address the fact
      that the US and USSR who both have problems
      with Islamic radicals have veto power in
      the UN.

      2) You insist that the UN only condemns
      Israel, and you ignore that Israel is a
      government, and Palestine is a bunch of
      resistance movements, nothing more. You
      never addressed that.

      3) You insist that Palestine can create a
      state in West Bank and Gaza but ignore that
      both areas are occupied by Israel and
      controlled by Israel. You also conventiently
      forget that the refugees are, like MOST
      refugees POOR.


      4) you support, again, that Israel is a state
      founded on religious and cultural purity:

      "The situation was fairly stable before the
      intifada, spurned on by the fact that Barak
      did not want to sign a blank check allowing
      ALL Palestinians the right to return, *making
      the Jews an immediate minority.*"

      Ah, a country that is for a single group.
      Sounds like a FAIR and JUST democracy to me!

      As I said, I'm not a zionist. I think it's
      clearly wrong to exclude people based on
      ethnicity. Do you think it's acceptable?

      That is the core situation here.
      Palestinians being exluded from a political
      process because of their race. Israel tells
      them what to do. Israel determines what
      land they get. Isreal determines the curfew.
      Israel tells them where they can live.

    • 1. African countries are representative of the world nations being prisoner to oil. Most of the UN is as such.

      2. No, the last UN resolutions regarding territories state that 1967 is the legit boundaries. So if you don't know then don't give an opinion. Even UN intervention would only go so far as to the 1967 borders. But given the UN's history (you again slyly ignore the Hezbollah kidnappings), Israel would rather not have a partial entity in the middle. But you are taking it further, to assume that Israeli territory will be taken. That's not the problem. The fact that the Palestinians insist on returning ALL who left or were 'left' in 1948. Forget that.

      2. The Palestinians have a worse situation? They can stay in the West Bank and Gaza where they have plenty of territory and establish a state. but before you go to that typical propaganda line that there is no room, go take a drive there. There is so much room that they can quadruple their population.

      3. Nice, also ignore the law of return. The situation was fairly stable before the intifada, spurned on by the fact that Barak did not want to sign a blank check allowing ALL Palestinians the right to return, making the Jews an immediate minority. In fact, relations were at the highest point at that time, and other than the settlements, which were to be handed back, there was virtually no Israeli presence. If you knew enough about it, you would have known that.

      WRITE ME OFFLINE.

    • > I thought I did. Send me an email. We can
      > get it off this board for a while. What's
      > your email? You stated it, but I missed
      > that post.

      You always remove what I say, and then go
      off into complete tangents, like Africa.
      My email is valid here. Just add @yahoo.com
      to the end of it.

      I have 4 books to read, and will soon be
      quite busy. Contact me there, we'll touch
      base, and then debate. All things we say
      there will later be made available for public
      viewing later, in unedited form.

    • > 1. The UN created Israel in 1948. The UN
      > nowadays has moved to the direction of oil
      > interests. Syria sitting on the council is
      > a sham.

      So?

      The USSR and the US both have problems with
      Islamic radicals, and they have veto power.
      Do you forget that?

      > The fact that virtually every African
      > country withdrew their relations from
      > Israel after the Arabs attacked on Yom
      > Kippor in 1973 (unprovoked) shows that they
      > had no choice but to give in to oil
      > domination.

      Africa has NOTHING to do with this.

      > As for reasons? When Israel sees that the
      > UN condemns them weekly while it ignores
      > the plight of the rest of the world,
      > ignores suicide bombings, and won't even
      > hand over the tapes showing UN observers
      > witnessing the armed kidnapping of Israelis
      > by Hezbollah are reasons enough to make
      > Israel distrustful of the UN.

      Oh bullshit. The UN "condemns" everybody
      all the time, it's just talk. A resolution
      to make a condemnation. The US always
      veto's all the actions that can be taken.
      I don't think you have a CLUE what the UN
      does.

      > That's my last statement on that to you.

      Then you say:

      > 2. a) exactly. No country will take the
      > Palestinians, but you assume that the US
      > should take all the Israelis.

      I'm pointing out that the Palestines have
      a far worse situation than Israeli citizens
      do. I know plenty of US citizens that have
      citizenship in Israel as well.

      There is no other place for Palestinians
      to go. They have nothing to lose.

      > b) the Israelis don't need to take them.

      Then what should the Palestinians do? All
      commit suicide? What, are you stupid?
      Who does need to take them?

      > Withdrawal from the territories in SECURE
      > borders should be enough for the
      > Palestinians to establish their own
      > homeland.

      UN intervention would do this, but it would
      make Israel SMALL. That's the real reason
      Israel isn't accepting UN intervention, even
      with the US in a position of VETO POWER.

      > The problem is that the Palestinians want
      > ALL of Israel.

      The problem is that there is no viable
      options given to the Palestinians. You're
      statements in this post prove that at least
      you can think of none.

      > 3. The Palestinians shouldn't absorb the
      > Israelis.

      But it's Israelis in their land. What should
      they do then? Have a jihad to get rid of
      them?

      > The territories will be vacated in a peace
      > deal. But the law of return is the kicker.

      There will never be a peace deal and the
      situation will continue to degrade, until
      even the US won't intervene and Israel will
      be lost.

    • I thought I did. Send me an email. We can get it off this board for a while. What's your email? You stated it, but I missed that post.

    • 1. The UN created Israel in 1948. The UN nowadays has moved to the direction of oil interests. Syria sitting on the council is a sham. The fact that virtually every African country withdrew their relations from Israel after the Arabs attacked on Yom Kippor in 1973 (unprovoked) shows that they had no choice but to give in to oil domination. As for reasons? When Israel sees that the UN condemns them weekly while it ignores the plight of the rest of the world, ignores suicide bombings, and won't even hand over the tapes showing UN observers witnessing the armed kidnapping of Israelis by Hezbollah are reasons enough to make Israel distrustful of the UN. That's my last statement on that to you.

      2. a) exactly. No country will take the Palestinians, but you assume that the US should take all the Israelis. b) the Israelis don't need to take them. Withdrawal from the territories in SECURE borders should be enough for the Palestinians to establish their own homeland. The problem is that the Palestinians want ALL of Israel.

      3. The Palestinians shouldn't absorb the Israelis. The territories will be vacated in a peace deal. But the law of return is the kicker.

    • BTW: Why do you never respond to my posts?

      I always take great care to address every
      issue you bring up.

    • > The UN moved the Palestinians, not Israel.

      Not out of the disputed territories.

      If the UN CREATED ISRAEL, and in fact the
      UN gives ISREAL it's mandate to exist, why
      do you INSIST that the UN cannot be trusted
      to do arbitration?

      I am very very very confused by this, and
      you've not explained it. You keep saying
      that the UN cannot be trusted for arbitration
      when it was the UN that created Israel.
      Those are contradictory.

      > As for nowhere to go, there are tons of
      > Arab countries.

      Name ONE country that will take them.

      They are in the same situation as some
      Israelis once were, but a far worse one.

      > Why should Israel be expected to absorb
      > their enemy?

      Why should Palestine be expect to absorb
      their enemy? How many homes have
      Palestinians taken from Israelis? How man
      Israelis are refugees because of Palestinian
      policy?

      Why is Israel enemies with Palestine now?

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