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  • hawcreek12 hawcreek12 Jan 3, 2013 7:21 AM Flag

    Look up the concept of 'ECONOMIC FASCISM' and see what is happening to America

     

    Fascists typically use class envy to gain power and effect change. In Germany it was those evil shop owner He-brews who were taking what rightfully belonged to the 'working class' German, here just substitute 'rich' and the parallel is undeniable.

    "...the government exerts strong directive influence, and effectively controls production and allocation of resources. In general, apart from the nationalizations of some industries, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state."

    "One significant fascist economic belief was that prosperity would naturally follow once the nation has achieved a cultural and spiritual re-awakening."

    This explains continued bail outs of certain sectors such as banks.

    "The fascists opposed both international socialism and liberal capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third way. They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism.[13] They favored corporatism and class collaboration"

    Pure fascists have some other characteristics not displayed by the current administration, but economically, spot on.

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    • "taking what rightfully belonged "

      That's your spiel here day and night. You always think people are getting things unfairly from you. I don't know anyone in the US of A who says or thinks rich people are "taking what rightfully belonged to the 'working class' " away from them. I don't know anyone who dislikes rich people for being rich either. They just want the rich to pay a fair share and not use wealth to manipulate law. Like nominating puppets who will sign anything they say. The tea party is so much like fascist germany it is scary. So, wrong on all thoughts for you once again.

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      • The problem with your explanation is that it assumes that people who make over a certain amount aren't already paying their fair share while everyone else is. I'm all for fairness and if your assertion was true, I'd agree with you. The problem is that the "rich" pay way more than their fair share. A recent study out of the Netherlands ( Leiden Univeristy, I believe) found that Americans who make more than $200,000 per year pay the highest percentage of their income in taxes in the world and get the least benefit for their taxes. In fact, American tax dollars are the most wasted in the world. I hate waste; is it fair that I have to pay for waste (and fraud) when the government does nothing to clean these up?

        If we are going to be "fair", everyone who earns income should pay at least a nominal amount of taxes so that all have a stake in the game and it isn't in anyone's perceived interest (or at least of no concern to them) to have governmet spening go out of control or that tax dollars be wasted.

        More importantly, government employees at all levels, from municipal to federal, should have to pay for their own retirement like the rest of us. How "fair" is it that I'm taxed up the woz and am only permitted to defer a small portion of my income to save for my retirement while public employees get a pension that will let them retire with 80% of their last salary or more for life and they don't have to contribute a cent. A "rich" person like me would have to retire with millions upon millions of dollars to have that kind of retirement, but alas, my government does won't permit me to save that much because it's not "fair" for me to do so (never mind that letting me save more would likely reduce my burden on the government and economy when I'm a senior citizen). I should thow in that, in some states--Oregon, for example-- federal and state government employee pensions are not taxed at the state level. How fair is it that some former government employees can retire with a 6 figure income and be exempt from any tax? Shouldn't they pay their "faire" share as well? The pension expense for bureaucrats at both the state and federal level take a signigicant chunk of tax revenue, which is paid by the "rich".

        Finally, our competent leadership in Congress exempts themselves from all sorts of burdensome government regulations to which I, and my fellow "rich", are subject...and most of those leaders are millionaires (in many cases because of IPOs and other sweet deals that they get in on simply because of they are Senators or Congressman). They get rich off the backs of the taxpayers and then attack people like me, who have earned their money through honest hard work, for not contributing enough to our society. Is that "fair" and are they paying their "fair share"?

        If you really believe that everyone should pay their fair share and in fundamental fairness, you should be concerned about all of the above facts more than my taxes. Believe me, hon, I already pay my fair share, plus.

        I fell sorry for people such as you who have drank the Kool-Aid and have actually fallen for Barry's BS that the "rich don't pay their fair share". I'm a financial slave to the government, but you're one in your mind. Get all the facts before you recite the Obozo propaganda.

      • pepeek, dude, why do you engage in discussions with that adult diaper wearing kcuf? All you do is bump his propaganda to the top. kcuF him. Let him post and ssip himself.

        Post your own original ideas.

 
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