Yesterdays Supreme Court Ruling that allows Corporations to spend freely and use unlimited amount of money to support or oppose candidates for president and Congress is the death knell of our democracy and is a "War on Democracy".
The five conservative justices on the supreme court by their ruling, have enabled foreign countries through the shares they buy AND OWN in US companies, can now influence our American elections.
To me this is tantamount to Treason. Many are already saying the five justices of the Supreme court who ruled in favor should be prosecuted for Treason. Treason as defined by Article III of our constitution : "Betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power"
Treason. A breach of allegiance to one's government, usually committed through levying war against such government or by giving aid or comfort to the enemy. The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance; or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power. Art. III, Sec. 3, U.S. Constitution.
This is no longer the United State of America but The United States of Corporations. It is no longer "We the People" but "We the Corporations".
I am sickened and in shocked that this could have happened. I believe any one supporting this will be sending their sons and daughters into a lifetime of Corporate Slavery not unlike Serfdom in Medieval times.
This ruling snuck up on all of us and smacks of the treachery not unlike what happened when the Federal Reserve was secretly created in the cover of darkness in 1910 on Jekyll Island GA. by JP Morgan et all Bankers ot the time.
This is a fight against Corporate Communism. We must come together ,as this is no longer about left or right ,conservative or democrat but about preserving democracy for us the American citizens and against the Corporate Special Interest take over of our country.
I am sickened as a son of the Greatest Generation that the Americans who died on the beaches of Normandy or Iwo Jima, saving democracy for we the people of this country could may have died in vain for the special interests of corporations.
We owe it to all who went before and after us who made ultimate sacrifice to preserve democracy for the citizens of this country . I myself have been lazy and too comfortable when it came to any sacrifice for this country, but this is one I am willing to give my all to, as we owe to all that went before us.
Here are Dwight D. Eisenhour's, a conservative and republican president, in his own words of his farewell speech upon leaving office after serving this country first as one of our greatest generals in WWII and then president. When he refers to military industrial complex he is referring to the military "corporation "complex
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
"We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."
PS Idiots on this board: Go ahead and take down Eisenhower.
This ruling is another example of the Bush Legacy ruining this country, and the Neo-Con using the country as their personal toilet paper to the detrement of the ordinary citizen.
IF WE DO NOTHING "THIS COUNTRY WILL CEASE TO EXIST AS A DEMOCRACY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY AS OUR FOUNDING FATHERS HAD INTENDED"
The other posters on this board are both correct with their interpretation of Republic or Jeffersonian Democracy. I am more concerned about Function over Form and care not get into a battle of definitions.
What I am very concerned about is that the ruling takes this country into Corporate Communism. The Politburo is the now be the board rooms and the leaders of Exxon/GE/PFIZER. It will be so easy for them to transform the government. The tea baggers, and Fox viewers will not know what hit them once the corps have used them up for their purposes. They will be thrown away like a piece of Toilet Paper once their purpose is served and the well intentioned tea baggers start reacting negatively to the Corps because more jobs being sent overseas and their kids are having to work 70-80 hour weeks just to keep their job or stay in favor with corporate leaders.
This ruling was totally insane. The whole basis of the five activist Neo-Con judge ruling was that Corporation was identical as person and therefore extended the same rights. Can a corporation do jury duty, die in a war like a person, take a sh* t or that matter. No it can't. Based on this ruling I am going to call my Penis a Person. These idiot judges are just another left over disaster from the Bush Legacy.
When a developer wants your home on the cheap to put up a mall or parking lot or the benefit of Pfizer in this case, they will be able to take it. Almost happened in court ruling just several years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_Londongoogle . Google this if you don't believe it. What do you think would have happened if the Corporations had their politicians in place in state government as well.
Any far out Science Fiction Nightmare you can dream of is in play, if the scenario benefits the corp., over you the citizen. Look at all the combustible car engines, asbestos suits, goods from china, prior to this ruling. It is going to get a lot worse. This ruling will set us back to the Dark Ages. The law was in place for over "100 years," through both R and D administrations and many supreme courts when common sense still mattered. Can anyone say or remember Child Labor Abuses that went on in the 1800s.
This will make many on this board happy, I will not being posting anything else on this board as GE has no interest to me.
I do want to leave you all with a couple thoughts. My Dad served in WWII with the 80th division. He earned the Bronze and Silver Stars both and had two purple hearts. I on the other hand never served my country. I went to many of his WWII reunions and met children my age who never met their father because they lost them in the war in France or Belgium. At the dedication of the WWII monument in Washington in 2004 I saw many adults my age wearing WWII photos of their Dad on tee shirts looking for anyone who might know their fathers picture to learn anything they could about him. It really got to me. This country has been good to me. I was able to retire early after 30 years of corporate life. I learned first hand what corps can do for good but also the bad. I also was able to save money all these years but learned from some of the sharpest investment bankers from Wall Street who were friends of mine and got lucky with my investments. Learned also how they played the game and theycould give a rats azz about the normal investor or sucker as they see it.
Here is what I would like to share if it helps anyone at all whether Republican, Dem or Independent. Eisenhower had it right. Beware of the military industrial complex. Our joint anger should be directed at Washington both R&D parties who are in bed with Wall Street. Both parties are guilty of this coruption as this where our system is at now.
"Washington in bed with Wall Street and Corporations" and this is the real threat to this country and the good fight we should be take on.
Nevertheless Jefferson's "liberal democracy", as he described it. Known ever since as "Jeffersonian Democracy", a republic in which the citizens democratically elect their representation in Govt. via "free elections".
The U.S., via its subcontractors, pays the Taliban not to attack its trucks carrying military shocked to find gamingsupplies around the country
Given that the trucking contracts total $2.2 billion, that’s at least $220 million paid to the Taliban. As appalling as this is, it should not be a surprise. It’s been a pattern throughout the “war on terror,” and not just by the U.S.
Paying the Taliban to not attack U.S. trucks carrying military supplies in Afghanistan: at least $200 million.
I do not think that this ruling is going to change our country.
How many votes do the corporations control.
How do they VOTE.
Currently if you are a democrat or republican and run under the party banner a majority of those people associated with your party will vote for you.
If you are independent you wind up in Columns C to Z.
It is up to US to vote for the individuals that will truly represent us.
If we vote for an individual because of there color, religion, party, ethnic following, THEN we deserve the representation that we receive.
If you believe that an individual does not represent what you desire, then you can always use the write-in-vote and vote for yourself.
"I do not think that this ruling is going to change our country.
How many votes do the corporations control.
How do they VOTE."
Over time corporations get bigger and bigger. Many become globalist corporations. They push for globalization or global market expansion. They have enormous amounts of monetary clout.
In short, they lobby for global legislative changes that benefit their expansion models to pave the way to their visions of market expansions to unlock future global max profits. They have the clout$$$. They vote with their wallet.
They have no concern of 2-party pom pom wavers.
The government has become corporatized. No longer a government, by the people, for the people. However, the government does hand out pom poms for the party of your choice and two party platform Rah Rah sections.
The corporations have the most cash. Money is wealth and wealth is power.
That said, on the other end of the commerce spectrum is the consumer. The corporations need consumers. Globalist corporations need global consumers. The consumers are the people. In theory, if consumers banded together they could form a very strong political power to regulate corporations as well as the government as to how decisions pertaining to the world we live in here in America and can also be extended to a the global consumer base. All it takes is a push. No profits if no consumer. Yes it counts as a vote too, to the corporations as well as the government although they may believe they own the consumer.
Such a senario could happen. It wouldn't be easy and it wouldn't be pretty for any one of the three. But that could be what happens when the government is no longer, by the people, for the people, the way it was originally meant to be.
Oh lets just tear up the whole Constitution. How come you Libs want all the freedoms of the Constitution only when it suits your purpose? The worthless ACLU lawyers have trounced their way through the Constitutions and you never complain about that? I suggest if you don't like the Constitution you should move your happy ass to a country with a capitol in Bejing, so just STFU!!!!
Ok can you show me in the Constitution where corporations are granted the same freedoms as individuals? Do Corporations have the right to collect Social Security when they get to a certain age? Are they taxed the same way as an individual? No Why?
The constitution applies to the people.... Not corporations. When corporations have unrestricted influence in the political process...your vote will mean nothing. Is that what you want?
The creation of the corporate charter and the later court ruling granting personhood to same has been the most destructive thing to ever happen to this country, and the courts ruling yesterday has completed the destruction.
america is a republic. it is not a democracy.
>>The Founding Fathers supported the view that (in the words of the Declaration of Independence) "Men ... are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." They recognized that such rights should not be violated by an unrestrained majority any more than they should be violated by an unrestrained king or monarch. In fact, they recognized that majority rule would quickly degenerate into mobocracy and then into tyranny. They had studied the history of both the Greek democracies and the Roman republic. They had a clear understanding of the relative freedom and stability that had characterized the latter, and of the strife and turmoil — quickly followed by despotism — that had characterized the former. In drafting the Constitution, they created a government of law and not of men, a republic and not a democracy.<<
"a republic ma'am, if you can keep it" benjamin franklin
Well the unions were taking over had to level the playing field, as far as I am concerned neither one should be able to contribute, a lot of good cpeople out there that are shut down by unions, big buisness and media
The court just handed our government over to the highest bidder. Likely corporate America... or what we may soon be, the "republic of Walmart". However, unions have also been given the same unrestricted freedom to use their influence in politics. None of the above is good for the country....none!