Some people here have questions about Allstate's
relationship with Scientology.
Here is the article from
the Wall Street Journal that I am sure many people
remember. Watch Allstate do a quick
ALLSTATE APPLIED SCIENTOLOGY METHODS TO TRAIN
What people probably don't know
is Scientologists had their own insurance company,
Survival Insurance, founded in the early 1980s. It worked
hand in hand with a wholly owned financing company,
Infinity Acceptance, to finance high premium payments and
nonrefundable brokers fees. After receiving 700 complaints
about this company, Commissioner Quackenbush filed
INSURANCE COMMISSIONER CHUCK QUACKENBUSH
REVOKE LICENSE OF SURVIVAL
Formal accusation filed in California court
you look closely at the Wall Street Journal article
and compare it to Scientology teachings on the
Scientology Kills website, I am sure you will find many
parallels. Management by statistics, I am sure. Other
parallels: (1) being extremely litigous (all in a good
cause, of course) and (2) a mindset that says "You're
not hurt" and "You don't need a doctor".
is that . . . lawyer?
Maybe the next time
Allstate adjusters meet with third parties in an auto
accident, they could just hand them a tract.
My mistake! I've heard about your problem from a
friend who just retired at the end of last year. I wish
I was more qualified to expound on your problem,
but can't. What I do know does seem unfair on the
surface. Hope you can be part of a reasonable solution.
You mistook my meaning. NOA agents of which I am
one have invested heavily as employees paying
Allstate's expenses for years(since 1984). Now Allstate is
showing us the door without reimbursing us for that money
spent. The "damnable release" is their attempt at
handcuffing us into saying calfrope. without signing it we
can't stay we can't sell and we cannot take enhanced
EEOC is looking heavily at this as we
Mr. Barleycorn, you have not lost a dime until
you have sold your stock. I assume you are a
stockholder because you stated that your money ".....is being
taken from me without reason."
Right now, it is
down in value after, quite frankly, being too high
when it hit the 50s. Now it is "on sale" at half price
and you probably wouldn't buy it. You probably didn't
buy when it was below 20 either. I remember a few
years ago when KMart fell from the low 30s to 5 and
went back over 20 again. Now it is about 8. Oh my!!!
What to do, what to do!!! You probably don't like
Microsoft at half price, either.
I'm certain you would
buy a brand new $80M Benz today if someone offered it
to you for $40M. This message is not to berate you.
It is an attempt to suggest that you think
rationally with your pocket book and not irrationally with
your heart about money matters. They say the market
giveth and the market taketh away. With ALL at present
prices the market is giving you an opportunity you may
not get again.
I was going to end this, but a
story came to mind that you mite find interesting. Of
course, it mite bore you, too, but you should read it.
In 1987 on Black Monday (OCT. 19, I believe), duPont
stock fell from the 60s to a bottom of 30 on that day.
Nobody wanted it. It has never seen that price since. It
is now at an equivalent of about 320. And, Dupont is
a very conservative old line Dow Jones Average
So, don't fret. Good stocks always come
back. Time is your best friend. Don't forget, ALL STATE
is one of the 10 most recognized names in the
As I said before, I have no problem with agents
who post here or with agents in general.
have their problems and I am not familiar with all the
issues so I usually do not offer a
'disgruntled' offended you, it was not intentional and if you
want yourself viewed as
disillusioned, so be
I do, however, have a problem with miss know-it-all
butting in on our discussion. It seems that she
this innate compulsion to poke her nose into
everyone's business and spread her unwanted
manure in a newly tilled field. It is this barnyard dung
and her presumptuous
arrogance that cultivates
most of the animosity that runs rampant on this board.
While some here
(mostly the website wackos) may
enjoy her relentless rambling, I find it
Now, I'm off to watch the Knicks beat Miami (I hope)
as, you see, there is more to life than
the entire day (and night) 'researching' hate
articles and copying and pasting them onto this board.
sounds patronizing to me, too.
But then I
remember that disgruntled employees are almost always
attributed to incompetent management.
So there is a
balance of sorts here.
disappointed, mistreated. All from the same source. Good
leadership does tend to prevent problems like this. Lack of
communication, alibis and stonewalling, on the other hand,
Did you INTEND that as perjorative and
patronizing? I think of myself not as disgruntled but
disillusioned. I loved my job and have had years that I made as
much for the company as you paid out in bodily injury
last year. Indeed I loved it enough to invest my own
money in it for years and now that is being taken from
me without a reason.
Unlike you and a handful of other employees who
post here, I believe in this company. Notice that very
few, if any, adjusters, post hate for the company on
this board. Agents have their own personal problems
and agendas and some have chosen to vent their anger
here on this board. From what I have read many of the
issues are real and I have no problem with them voicing
On the other hand, we have
several compulsive fanatics who post half truths and
single out individual claims out of the millions that
are properly settled and they hone in on those claims
and try to convince the public that this is the way
we handle all of our claims. As you know, this is
simply not true. This is an investment board. I have
tried to dispel these myths. All of the name calling
was initiated by the fanatics. I have always lived by
the motto 'do unto others' but once I am attacked I
attack back with ten time the vigor of my attacker.
Have you ever read some of the moron websites? One
actually posts names and phone numbers of adjusters in a
portion of the site called 'worst adjuster'. It attempts
to berate and embarrass them. It gives only one side
of the story in a disputed claim. You probably have
kids, ed. How would you like to read about your son or
daughter portrayed as this demon on a webpage with blood
dripping in the background knowing that the full story was
We also hear that Allstate doesn't
pay claims. I myself have paid over $700,000 in
bodily injury claims year-to-date and I'm just one
person in one office of thousands throughout the
country. I have been with this company for about 6 yrs.
Allstate has never told me to cheat the customer(clmt or
insrd). In our liability units we go way out of the way
to make sure that the insured is 'completely
satisfied' but to hear the website wackos tell it, all we do
is cheat. Again, I have never cheated a claimant or
insured but there have been several instances where I
have tried to be cheated. Take a run over to your
local MCO and sit with an SIU adjuster for a few hours.
You'd be surprised and you'd realize that the 1% fraud
inference was simply a hate monger (with too much time on
her hands) being biased and unreasonable.
Didn't mean to be so long winded. I post relatively few
messages on this board compared to the wackos. I'm
wondering why you single me out. Why not ask
boldcreek,allstatemoronstudygroup and a slew of others who mimic or post absolutely
nothing of value why they are here? You see, not everyone
is a disgruntled agent or a website wacko. Some of
us actually like our jobs.