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  • staggman99 staggman99 Sep 11, 2011 5:43 PM Flag

    Cellulosic Ethanol and Unicorns WSJ

    norris...We are not in agreement, I support all type of energy except nuclear...but the refineries still do not have enough capacity to produce all the different fuels that we need in this country...

    My point is, that we need ethanol until something else replaces it...natural gas is fine with me, I am ready for it now...bring it on...

    Again, maybe you forgot, one of the largest ethanol plants in the U.S. (Aventine Renewable Energy, Mt. Vernon In.) is 12 miles from my home (my farms are 62 miles away from my home base) and all of the ethanol they produce goes to China and 90% of the tailings are sold to China...

    What happens when China buys our corn makes their own ethanol, subsidies it and sell it back to us (that is what they do now with other products), that is called "Free Trade"...does anybody on this message board look at the whole picture...?

    All grains are sold on the world markets and is just a matter of time before China buys more corn and makes their own ethanol...don't forget that corn is about $7.25 a bu., wheat is about the same price $7.00 and soybeans are almost $14.00 a bu....food prices are increasing about 30% a year around the world...

    People around the world are tired of eating rice, snakes and lizards (no joke)...they want quality food to eat (beef, pork, chicken & etc.)...its not my fault that people want better food to eat or fuel for their vehicles...

    High oil prices are the main cause of all inflation in the U.S and around the world, not grain prices...!

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    • "People around the world are tired of eating rice, snakes and lizards (no joke)...they want quality food to eat (beef, pork, chicken & etc.)...its not my fault that people want better food to eat or fuel for their vehicles..."

      The Chinese people being very pragmatic are actually proud they can and will make a tasty meal of anything. But it all goes with rice which is cultural sometimes to the point of religiosity. I wonder if William the Protector will come on in and claim you as one of his nameless bigots for this. I think not for he is not an honest person but maybe he will surprise me once.

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      • It is a big country with much regional differences and now class differences.
        But the funny thing is, was it what Stagg said or what I was told when they wanted to see if the American was really open to new things? Guess they were not really comfortable with you - whatever spirit you met.
        But to claim to have been to Asia and not acknowledge the importance of rice? You betray yourself my friend.
        WOW but still not surprises. Like gears and flywheel. ;-)

      • Hi Norris,
        you are sprouting steriotype propoganda. I have visited China at least 20 times on business and your dietry claims are false.Speak to someone who has gone to china and see the light.

    • What happens when China buys our corn makes their own ethanol, subsidies it and sell it back to us (that is what they do now with other products), that is called "Free Trade"...does anybody on this message board look at the whole picture...?”
      http://www.foodproductiondaily.com/Supply-Chain/China-blocks-food-for-biofuel
      First point first. China stopped all bio-fuel production (and research) from food many years ago.
      They may have totalitarian elite running the country but they are not mean spirited crony capitalists to the point they would allow their entire economy to be stabilized with bio-fuel from food.
      Part of the ethanol corruption is disruptive tariffs to block Brazilian sugar ethanol which is always going to be more efficient than corn due to simple chemistry. So even if GM technology increases your yields corn will never compete with sugar based ethanol. In fact it is most likely the Chinese will drive investment in GM to improve sugar yields.
      http://blog.heritage.org/2011/08/17/the-ethanol-mandate-needs-to-go/
      What crony capitalists promised the American people is that allowing corn base production would lead to cellulosic ethanol from waste and perhaps something like switch grass or a breakthrough in algae.
      The problem is, when you look at the monthly production of cellulosic biofuel on the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) website, you’ll see nothing but goose eggs. Zero production. While the costs of producing cellulosic ethanol have come down, you still have to build the plant, which adds an additional $150 million to the tab.
      The fact that cellulosic ethanol production is nowhere near providing industrial-scale quantities of fuel demonstrates our government’s inability to project what is commercially viable and beneficial for consumers. And it is coming at a cost. Greg Scott, executive vice president and general counsel of the National Petrochemical & Refiners Association, testified last month saying the EPA’s miscalculation would cause his members problems:
      The most corrupt farce of all is that this crony capitalist Obama EPA ruled ethanol from sugar cane an advanced fuel. Probably another crony capitalist payoff to our sugar beaters. Rather than save any of this insanity this crony EPA doubled down for Obama politics.Now we can import ethanol to meet their standards.
      As for the rest I do understand why you pretend it has not been addressed again and again. It is part of your old tired routine.

      We can go around this tree again if you must. Ethanol from corn does not create energy, causes more polution, cost far more and wares out cars faster. Especially the older cars of poor Americans.

      If the inflation in corn was caused by oil how come the price jump is 100%s greater than wheat or anyother grain? After all every other grain is more valuable than field corn.

 
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