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  • webuchadnezzar_reva webuchadnezzar_reva Apr 7, 2011 3:42 PM Flag

    Unskilled factory laborers are not middle class

    The fact that you extorted doctor salaries from GM for 30 years does not make you middle class.

    You were blue collar laborers collecting middle class incomes, and you got away with it because the Big 3 were the only game in town.

    Once free trade increased enough to permit foreign cars to come into the US, your monopoly was gone and yet you CONTINUED your insane wage demands.

    Then you wonder why your jobs are gone. YOUR excessive labor and health care costs killed them. Yes, GM management should have stood up to you. They are every bit as guilty as the UAW for the death of GM

    -web

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    • Well said.

    • <<<"...but I should have worded that better.">>>
      S'okay.

      <<<"You keep refereeing to corrupt executives. The vast majority of executives I have worked with are very upstanding and want the best for their company and community.">>>

      Perhaps I had the misfortune to fall in with scoundrels. Perhaps you were very lucky.

      Actually I did know/work/meet with some very good, responsible execs.

      I also worked with absolute fools. Imho, the stockholders, employees and even customers were the last thing on their "minds". Born out by the fact they finally went out of business, after I left.

    • "insane wage demands" and got it. BO's administration gave GM and the UAW: How many 'billions'? There was several billion changed hands for supporting the HC bill. Little people have been screwed for year, HIGH COST OF LIVING AND HIGH TAXES. Little people get burned big time with city, county and state taxes.

    • <<<"I give lots to charity, but I won't give a dollar to someone on welfare with 6 kids, without a job and drives in new Suburban.

      If we could get those lazy ones to earn more income, there would be more money for those that cannot. Easy on paper, but we can't make those lazy people earn a better living.">>>

      I try, not always successfully, not to judge but yes, the actions (or lack of)of some people can be really annoying and give rise to resentment!

      The problem is to separate the help to the truly needy from those that seem to "milk" the system

    • <<<"I agree but prefer to be a good executive who is not corrupt.">>>

      Understandable, and more power to you.

    • 'But a good ditch digger is more admirable than a corrupt Ceo. >>>

      Great statement.>>>

      I agree but prefer to be a good executive who is not corrupt.

    • Some, through no fault of their own, don't have the ability, mental,physical, etc, to be in the top quarter,top half of earnings ability.This is not to say they aren't good people>>>

      My use of lowest form of human worker is regrettable and I apologize. I think you get my point but I should have worded that better.
      As far as those who through no fault of their own mentally or physically disabled. I think we need to do the best we can to accommodate their needs through employment and compensation that equals their abilities.
      You keep refereeing to corrupt executives. The vast majority of executives I have worked with are very upstanding and want the best for their company and community. Many lost sleep the last several years keeping the company afloat and agonizing over each layoff and reduction. I think there are very few really corrupt executives and we all want them off the payroll and in many cases in jail.

    • cobrawolverine@sbcglobal.net cobrawolverine Apr 7, 2011 4:56 PM Flag

      'But a good ditch digger is more admirable than a corrupt Ceo. '

      Great statement.

      'Some, through no fault of their own, don't have the ability, mental,physical, etc, to be in the top quarter,top half of earnings ability.
      This is not to say they aren't good people.'

      The ability to help these type of people starts with the ability for those that can help themselves, to start helping themselves, so they can help others.

      I give lots to charity, but I won't give a dollar to someone on welfare with 6 kids, without a job and drives in new Suburban.

      If we could get those lazy ones to earn more income, there would be more money for those that cannot. Easy on paper, but we can't make those lazy people earn a better living.

    • <<<"So what your are saying it the lowest form of human worker is:
      1. Welfare
      2. Union
      3. Works for someone else but no Union
      4. Owns own company or part owner">>>

      I find the term "lowest form of human worker" repugnant.

      No, everyone one can't be a manager, not even at McD's. As per my post on "average", someone will always be on the bottom.

      But a good ditch digger is more admirable than a corrupt Ceo.

      Some, through no fault of their own, don't have the ability, mental,physical, etc, to be in the top quarter,top half of earnings ability.
      This is not to say they aren't good people.

      Are they to be kicked to the curb?

    • 50% of the citizens of this country are below "average" and always will be. What are they to do>>>

      I am afraid they will have to earn a wage equal to their contribution. If it is lower due to their diminished capacity then it has to be lower. Otherwise someone who contributes more will suffer and that is unfair and demotivating causing the contributor to contribute less.

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