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  • dar_dave dar_dave Dec 8, 2012 6:32 PM Flag

    GM cars no one wanted

    How about the Malibu and the Chevy Sliverado?

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    • what about those 2 vehicles? Were they the workers fault? I have never owned any GM vehicles except a '57 Chevy(when younger) and Cavaliars. I may buy a Cruze in ' original rebutal came down to this" it takes good design and engineering. German cars until very recently were all built in Germany or W.Europe with union labor and they were and are great cars. Japanese cars by and large are built in Japan with union labor. Both these countries have top notch designors and engineers for the most part with union labor. So much of America's big 3 troubles were poor design and engineering. It isn't the American worker to blame overall. Even non union American built Honda has great engineering.

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      • "I find it atrious(?) that executive compensation has risen so dramatically while outsourcing jobs overseas. Are ceo's worth $3+mil.per yr.+perks?"

        M. swanger, I don't mean to be picking on you, you are one of the few here that I can discuss things with without it turning into a free for all. I appreciate that.

        But I have to disagree again. CEO's are not paid by the hours they work, or how many jobs can be retained in the U.S. They work exclusively for the BOD and the Board works directly for the shareholders. A CEO's job is to maximize returns to the shareholders and if that means to make things overseas to get a cost or quality advantage on the competition, that's what they do. To the extent they can do that, they make more money.

        I agree that some are WAY overpaid, but that is the exception. I just wanted to make the point that the criteria for determining a CEO's worth is different that most of the work force.

      • "So much of America's big 3 troubles were poor design and engineering."

        I believe it was cost cutting by management.

        The cheaper parts were ordered

        The cheaper designs were selected.

        Maintainance on production machines was lax.

        Cutting costs resulted in more in execs pay packs.

      • ((((So much of America's big 3 troubles were poor design and engineering. It isn't the American worker to blame overall.))))

        You don't know what you're talking about. My UAW-built Astro van was full of defects that the dealer corrected in short order. These were not design flaws. These were "I don't give a #$%$" flaws.


        Sentiment: Strong Sell

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