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  • webuchadnezzar_reva webuchadnezzar_reva Jan 3, 2013 3:19 PM Flag

    LOSERS

    Hey, I didn't write it:

    "LOSERS
    Both General Motors and Ford lost the market share they gained in 2011 when the earthquake hurt their Japanese competitors. GM saw a lackluster 4 percent increase for the year, hurt by weak truck and Cadillac sales. Ford's sales were up 5 percent after new versions of some of its biggest sellers — the Ford Escape SUV and Fusion sedan — had to be recalled for safety problems."

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

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    • How about those Volt sales! Twelve hundred and some, right? Oh well. The election is over
      and no need to make the Obama Mobile (and Obama) look good.

      The car of the future and always will be.

    • hurt by weak truck and cadilack sales? that was predictable...

      legacy problems continue to plague the return of gm. legacy problems suck cash (ie., buy back) and reduce sales (ie., weak products, reputation for quality, management performance, union corruption, and the list goes on and on...).

      gm dealership visits not high on most people's list, IMO...

    • You didn't write it, but you endorse it by quoting it.

      Why do you continue to engage in logical fallacies?

    • Market share is a red herring, imo. And, management seem to understand.

      The critical things that will drive a higher stock price:

      --achieve a low cost structure that ensures profitability across ALL economic cycles. This is largely achieved, although cost cutting (e.g., global chasis/engine platform reduction initiative) continues. Once the market understands/believes this, valuations will fundamentally adjust up.
      --leave the incentive/discounting game behind
      --invest in R&D, continue to strengthen the product line up: the current offerings will be ~70% refreshed in the next 2-3 years.
      --continue to strenghten its over seas operations: China is going gangbusters, Europe (the current overhang on the stock price) is being fixed.
      --lastly, direct free cash flow to continued share buybacks at low valuations

      • 1 Reply to supor450
      • The things that supor mistakenly thinks will drive a higher stock price:
        --achieve a low cost structure that ensures profitability across ALL economic cycles. This is largely achieved, although cost cutting (e.g., global chasis/engine platform reduction initiative) continues.
        Once the market understands/believes this, valuations will fundamentally adjust up.
        ANS: I'LL GRANT YOU THAT GM'S FIXED COSTS HAVE DROPPED. THEY HAVE JETTISONED HALF THEIR BRANDS. THEY HAVE CLOSED NUMEROUS PLANTS. THEY HAVE LAID OFF THOUSANDS OF OLD UAW BOYS LIKE JEYEDOLT.

        --leave the incentive/discounting game behind
        ANS: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!! YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GM HERE! OOH! OH! HA! GOOD ONE! LOL!

        --invest in R&D, continue to strengthen the product line up: the current offerings will be ~70% refreshed in the next 2-3 years.
        ANS: THE 2013 MALIBU HAS A SHORTER WHEELBASE AND EVEN LESS REAR LEGROOM THAN THE 2012. THE REAR SEAT IS UNUSABLE UNLESS YOU ARE SMALL, OR A CHILD.
        THE MALIBU ECO IS RIDICULOUS ALSO -- YOU CAN BUY A NON-HYBRID WITH COMPARABLE MILEAGE FOR LESS! (ALTIMA, MAZDA3, JETTA TDI)
        THE 2014 TRUCK IS UGLY AS SIN, JUST LIKE THE LAST SERIES
        GM US SALES ROSE ONLY 3.7% AND GM IS DOWN TO ONLY 17.9% MARKET SHARE
        TOYOTA US SALES GAINED 27% LAST YEAR AND IS NOW UP TO 14.4% SHARE

        --continue to strenghten its over seas operations: China is going gangbusters, Europe (the current overhang on the stock price) is being fixed.
        ANS: WRONG. BUICK AND CADILLAC ARE SLUMPING IN CHINA. WULING IS DOING ALRIGHT. EUROPE REMAINS BROKEN.

        --lastly, direct free cash flow to continued share buybacks at low valuations
        ANS: BUT FOR POLITICAL REASONS ONLY. STILL NOT WORTH THE INVESTMENT (WHY HAVE INSIDERS PURCHASED FEWER THAN 17K NET SHARES IN THE PAST HALF A YEAR?)

        -web

        Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • Up big in a down market with high volume for GM all good news. Sorry web, you lose again and mallen1998 isn't here to help, but maybe he is Iffydog that came to life in August.
      jump... fwd 1 min fwd 5 min fwd 10 min fwd 15 min fwd 30 min back 1 min back 5 min back 10 min back 15 min back 30 min

      Time Price Volume Exchange
      16:06:23 p 29.82 1888 NDD
      16:06:22 n 29.82 6180 NDD
      16:06:22 6 29.82 157136 NYE

      157,136 is 401 K people trading

    • Losers?

      Are you talking about yourself and your "ilk" again today?

      Less market share in a growing market is not a bad thing when actual SALES and REVENUE grow. Further, bonehead, GM's introductions in 2013 and 2014 (over the next 18 months) will essentially turn over our offerings to all new stuff. Which, BTW, will drive sales again.

      You lose. Almost every argument...

      Sentiment: Buy

      • 2 Replies to personality_less
      • Less market share in a growing market is not a bad thing when actual SALES and REVENUE grow.
        ANS: Yes it is a bad thing persie. Take my word for it. Lower market share IS bad.

        Further, bonehead, GM's introductions in 2013 and 2014 (over the next 18 months) will essentially turn over our offerings to all new stuff. Which, BTW, will drive sales again.
        ANS: From the looks of the new stuff so far, it will drive sales to other brands. The new Malibu is sad, and the new truck is ugly. By the way, I have seen a very very small number of new Malibus on the roads out here in SoCal. I can think of one red one a few weeks ago and that is IT so far. They are not popular out here.....not in the slightest. No Malibu is.

        -web

        Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • What are the Japanese going to use for a excuse when they show very little growth in 2013.
      Its already starting they all missed in Dec here. Hyundai and KIA took a hit in Dec, you can only lie and cheat so long and get away with it. Now what about the Japanese in China?
      John Murphy - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

      Just a question on the pickup trucks here. You made good progress on the inventory reduction and I’m trying to figure out the balance between production cuts versus the sales push and a change in inventory here. And if I run the math, you had about 246,000 trucks at the end of November, pickup trucks, you sold almost 70,000 in a month. So that means, you probably produced about 45,000 in December.

      • 1 Reply to jeyebolt2003
      • Don't ever quote that guy to me again. He's one of the three worst GM analysts ever, imo.

        Murphy used to drink the GM Kool-Aid every stinking quarter before they failed.

        The other bad ones, in my opinion, were Himanshu Patel and Rod Lache. They'd put in a buy rec on GM when they should have been saying, 'RUN LIKE HELL!' Of course, it went BK on them. Serves them right.

        I thought they constantly served up slow changeups for the GM CEO to handle, with never a challenge of any kind. Few if any tough questions about the huge legacy health care costs, the restated earnings or the bogus claims that 'the turnaround is working'.

        Where are the gutsy analysts that CHALLENGE a CEO who is BSing everybody?!

        -web

        Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • Cadillac sales were up 12.2%...is that lackluster?
      Buick sales were up 10%....not too shabby.

 
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