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  • the_moolah_mullah the_moolah_mullah Jan 11, 2013 12:25 AM Flag

    FIRST THE IT CENTER MOVES TO THE SOUTH -- THEN GM HQ?

    ((((GM to Open New IT Center in Georgia
    By Eric Volkman
    January 10, 2013
    General Motors (NYSE: GM) is to open a new IT facility in Georgia, the company announced in a press release. It will hire around 1,000 people to staff it. The move is part of a company initiative to bring the bulk of its IT needs in-house; the Georgia center is the third out of four facilities planned for this purpose.))))
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    I have been harping on this board for GM to move its HQ to a Right to Work state for almost two years. Or to convert Michigan to a RTW state. I've been asking for that (under my web screen name) since mid-2011.

    GM should ask for, and expect, massive tax love from the Michigan legislature. Snyder has made a smart move by ramming RTW through.

    That may have been something GM did not quite expect to be so successful. If I'm GM, I won't screw a guy who goes to the mat for us.

    But if the next governor is a d-bag, they should simply move all GM HQ operations to Georgia. Say "This move only makes sense -- all our IT is down here already anyway. And the union won't be able to say much....most HQ jobs are non-union. GM will tell the UAW to mind their own business.

    This would actually be a serious shot across the UAW's bow.

    GM would be saying, "LOOK, UAW workers! You may think we are only moving the HQ......but this is just laying the groundwork! From now on, any factory up in the North whose work force gives us the slightest trouble, we will simply lock the doors, pack it up and move it all down here. Give us any reason, and we will shut down your plant and move our machines to Georgia next. After all, our HQ is down here already, so it just makes sense!"

    GM: You HAVE to neutralize and essentially destroy the UAW. Leaving any remnant of it intact is like, "A little cancer" or "being a little bit pregnant." GM may not need to be non-union, but it DOES need to be non UAW.

    I hope that whenever GM modernizes a plant, from now on, they LEASE the building and not buy it. Then they put all the machines on rollers so they can just move them onto trucks the first time the UAW pitches a hissy fit about something.

    /mm

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

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    • cobrawolverine@sbcglobal.net cobrawolverine Jan 11, 2013 9:46 AM Flag

      Lucky for GM, the IT career field will never unionize so no matter where they put it, that's safe.

    • " Then they put all the machines on rollers so they can just move them onto trucks the first time the UAW pitches a hissy fit about something."

      Mullah:

      Beginning in the late 90's, the part of GM that does machining, i.e., engine and transmission operations, began to modernize their operations and incorporating lean ideas in their process development. In old power train plants you would see massive 40 station transfer lines that were 200 feet long. They were great at making EXACTLY the same thing every 20 seconds over and over and over. They cost about $25-30 million each (in 1980 dollars) and had very low reliability, overall they ran about 60% of the time. You can imagine the cumulative downtime considering that each station probably had an individual reliability of 98% (.98^40th power).

      Part of what drove lean design was the departure of product design from making a whole lot of the same thing to making smaller quantities of more things to offer customers more of a choice.That drove much smaller, more flexible machining centers, which in turn allowed us more ability to move equipment around than ever before. In fact, since these small flexible machining centers were mobile, we could move them from plant to plant on a long weekend.

      One example....we tooled up a plant in Michigan (along with 3 other locations) to make rear wheel drive transmissions primarily for trucks. When the truck market hit the skids, the plant in MI was closed and the machining centers were mobile enough and flexible enough to be moved to another location (outside of the U.S.) to make parts for a small front wheel drive product to be used in cars as smaller as the Sonic...all in about a week's time. It was a tremendous advantage in keeping capacity utilization at a high level as well as making sure that production was not vulnerable to a single location. It wasn't all a reaction to the UAW (I'm not saying that wasn't part of the decision) but also to protect against any kind of natural disaster or governmental issues as well. The other 3 plants I mentioned earlier were in Ohio, Mexico and France.

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      • ((((One example....we tooled up a plant in Michigan (along with 3 other locations) to make rear wheel drive transmissions primarily for trucks. When the truck market hit the skids, the plant in MI was closed and the machining centers were mobile enough and flexible enough to be moved to another location (outside of the U.S.) to make parts for a small front wheel drive product to be used in cars as smaller as the Sonic...all in about a week's time. It was a tremendous advantage in keeping capacity utilization at a high level as well as making sure that production was not vulnerable to a single location. It wasn't all a reaction to the UAW (I'm not saying that wasn't part of the decision) but also to protect against any kind of natural disaster or governmental issues as well. The other 3 plants I mentioned earlier were in Ohio, Mexico and France.))))

        In effect, it seems like you are saying, GM has already converted to mobile manufacturing setups that can be removed and relocated quickly.

        So really, once the headquarters goes, my scenario could play out. All trends point to this possibility.

        GO AHEAD, UAW....MAKE MY DAY

        /mm

        Sentiment: Strong Sell

      • I'm becoming more pleased with CUE by the day. Had the WiFi issue corrected in home yesterday - now my iPhone and iPad connect as they should. I'm going forward with the purchase of an iPod specifically for use in car for my music tastes. I make no bones about turning 70 mid year. So much new stuff to learn and enjoy - it's all very exciting. I had decided to back off last fall and did, for a short time. Got bored and quickly realized I was wasting myself piddling around. I went back to work doing what I enjoy, and got a promotion in the go around. We're seeing now productive involved people well into their 90's doing what they love doing. With A+ health here goes. I laughed with my Internist during my Medicare physical that I plan to live well past 100 and be meaner than a snake (not really sounds like fun though).

        And I'm an ultimate optimist.

        Oh and by the way. It appears shale oil production in West Texas continues to show no end in sight, literally. I firmly believe we will be totally energy independent going forward in just a few years. And, be selling excess energy worldwide. Starting with natural gas.

        Life's good.

    • moolah, webbie sap or clown, it makes no difference, same old message. Why do you show such distaste for hard working taxpayers? Why don't you dedicate your time to the 47 per-centers who pay no taxes? How about California, they need help. Why are you so worried about Michigan? Do you have a split personality? Some of your posts make sense, but others(most) are pure BS. There are times when you appear to be that other union hater. Are you mallen also? Large plastic, yellow Bowties for all of your aliases!!

    • itswhatsintheboxthatcounts itswhatsintheboxthatcounts Jan 11, 2013 8:23 AM Flag

      Tell us how you really feel about Unions !

    • "... GM: You HAVE to neutralize and essentially destroy the UAW. Leaving any remnant of it intact is like, "A little cancer" or "being a little bit pregnant." GM may not need to be non-union, but it DOES need to be non UAW. ..."

      Heil H!tler!

      "... General Von Greim, ... Many mistakes have been made. Be ruthless. Life doesn't forgive weakness. This so-called humanity is religious drivel. Compassion is an eternal sin. To feel compassion for the weak is a betrayal of nature. The strong can only triumph if the weak are exterminated. Being loyal to this law, I've never had compassion. ... That's the only way to deal with it. ..." [Adolf H!itler]

      Spiny_Mouse, the rhetoric does sound a bit similar. Boy, AH even referred to a General ... and, I am sure, if AH had had a CAPS LOCK key, he would have used it.

    • In the last few months Gm has announced 3 new IT tech centers, 1st in Austin, TX,
      the 2nd in Warren, MI and now Roswell, GA. There is supposed to be a 4th shortly.

 
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