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  • justum justum Aug 20, 2013 3:44 PM Flag

    Mullah: Let's hear your opinion

    The Cobra thread started with a statement by him that outsourcing, presumably outside the U.S., should receive a penalty 2-3 times the normal penalty. Kind of Obamaesque, don't you agree?

    My questions were:

    ""Just curious how you would define how many jobs were shipped overseas. Would it be all employees outside the U.S.? Would it be the manpower needed to build all imports to the U.S.? Would this law be restricted to U.S. car makers? What's the "normal" rate of penalty? How would this square for your love of free enterprise and competition?"

    Your opinion on this? PM would say I'm trying to bait you to trap you, of course he doesn't understand being held accountable for what you say.

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    • cobrawolverine@sbcglobal.net cobrawolverine Aug 20, 2013 4:20 PM Flag

      Free enterprise and competition and can be had without shipping jobs overseas. Clearly, education is not your strong suit.

      We would all have to agree that outsourcing began out of greed, not a necessity. Not all markets are subject to outsourcing. Many are coming back which is nice to see. I own a company where I can easily, without thinking twice outsource and pad my bottom end. Who does that help besides me? I could easily replace 5 employees with 5 overseas people. What good is that if this were in your community? Of if you owned a local store that needs people working.

      I buy my goods from Japan, simply due to the fact, that's the only place they make the stuff I need. I would to buy it locally, But I can't.

      • 1 Reply to cobrawolverine
      • Ah, Cobra's working late tonight.

        {{Free enterprise and competition and can be had without shipping jobs overseas.}}

        So you view free enterprise as ending at the U.S. borders. I do not, I think it is a universal concept that would allow any business, regardless where it is, to prosper if they provide the best goods and services available. I don't know of any definition, except yours, that says that free enterprise is a national concept.

        {{We would all have to agree that outsourcing began out of greed, not a necessity.}}

        I don't agree at all, although don't you agree that our economic system is based on greed in a sense? All business should be trying to lower their costs sufficiently to provide themselves with the necessary margins to reinvest capital for growth. To your point though, some businesses outsourced in order to survive. U.S. based costs are so high that their very existence demanded outsourcing. As I said earlier, sometimes outsourcing is required because something falls outside the core competency of the company.

        I believe that restricting trade in almost any way, is detrimental to the U.S. economy. It causes businesses to morph into non-competitiveness. It promotes unionism when the only competition is local. It creates businesses and people that are dependent on the government.

        Your thoughts are remarkably in line with the current Democratic Party. I think you are a closet Democratic.

    • Justum,

      Very nice try to get me to undermine my pal Cobra, however, I don't care to offer solutions to US trade policy.

      /mm

      Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • "held accountable for what you say."

      i have no problem with your question as long as you stay on topic...

      • 1 Reply to perfect_market
      • {{i have no problem with your question as long as you stay on topic...}}

        OK, you and I will self police. We stay on point. Answer:

        {{Just curious how you would define how many jobs were shipped overseas. Would it be all employees outside the U.S.? Would it be the manpower needed to build all imports to the U.S.? Would this law be restricted to U.S. car makers? What's the "normal" rate of penalty? How would this square for your love of free enterprise and competition?}}

        What's your opinion.

 
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