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  • java_sucks_95131 java_sucks_95131 Jul 28, 2000 7:44 PM Flag

    Go_stock_boy & Get2chip & synplicity

    Well like anything being reported. This is
    report by a news reporter. Look at their web site. There
    is no information in there about Ex synopsys
    executives. Their management is mostly semiconductor guys.
    Bernd Braune was senior VP at VLSI where his group did
    gangbuster sales apparrently. (Meta is apparently making
    shitloads of moeny in europe). Stan Katz was bigwig at
    Hynudai Semicon. The other guys seem to be pretty
    hardcore engineering guys from synopsys. Most of the
    engineers came from "Meropa" which was had engineers from
    DC, BC, DesignTime CA etc... These guys some pretty
    cool stuff at DAC. They also have a tapeout so there
    is some stuff there..

    Has bernd the @@## :-)
    done something to you personally?..

    It looks
    lie Go_stock_boy loves synopsys and is ready to
    attack anybody who can get into their space.
    synplicity and get2chip.

    Synplicity is a growth
    company and as such should go from loss to profit soon.
    That is why they are raising money and getting people.
    They also have pretty good management and clearly good
    technology in the FPGA space. It looks like there might be
    pretty good synergy between get2chip on the ASIC and
    abstraction side and synplicity on the FPGA side. Both tools
    are super fast...

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    • Any engineering approach will have its advantages
      and shortfalls. The issue is which features do the
      bulk of your customers really want, which features
      they are willing to compromise on. Perhaps right now,
      the market may not be ready to pay the costs
      associated with Magma's fixed timing approach. Of course
      another big issue is the "barrier to acceptance" in the
      EDA industry. Because the design industry is so
      reliant on their tools, the costs associated with any
      mis-step is huge. Very few companies have the resources to
      take the risks associated with a new technology. Hence
      technology adoption is slowed down, unless there is a
      urgent, well-defined and measurable need for a new
      technology. For most EDA companies, acquisition is the exit
      strategy, not IPOs.

    • <EOM>

    • solectron does manufacture for both trmb and
      cisco. parts shortages are not just a trmb problem. if
      solectron has x pieces of a certain proct that both trmb
      and csco want, who do you think gets first dibs.

    • It looks like your info is correct about Magma
      losing their latest sales VP. I called and asked for him
      and was told he'd left the company.

      dangerous to read too much into a single departure, but
      when you consider that they lost most of the sales
      force last year, they don't seem to have any silicon
      from their tool (despite signing Sun and others over
      year ago) you have to ask some serious

      My first question would have to be: is the fixed
      timing approach fundementally flawed or is it simply
      that Magma can't get it working.

      Then: Why
      can't Magma hold on to it's sales people. Sales folks
      tend to be the bellweather of the companies fortunes.
      Is this latest departure just an attrition event or
      the sign of more fundemental problems - We'll be
      better placed to judge that when a replacement is
      announced - an internal appointment may signal difficulty
      in recruiting qualified talent.

      Next: is
      there a sufficiently large market and is the technology
      that differentiated to be able to build a substantial
      business off of it.

      Finally: The recent EETimes
      article on the Synplicity IPO painted a pretty bleak
      picture around EDA IPO's in general. So my question is do
      companies like Magma who claim some new innovation have a
      future if the street isn't excited ?

    • Nice to read again something better than the
      daily crap from the shorties.

      By the way, do you
      know of an independent newsboard (beside ESNUG) that
      debates synthesis issues (and timing closure) ...

    • Been there done that (and a whole lot more..).
      Nice approach but yet to be proven; normally leads to
      larger and more power hungry circuits. If some posts on
      the CDN board are correct, they have lost their Sales
      executive again (they lost the sales team last year too),
      so things may not be not that good behind the doors.
      Incidentally SNPS tried that approach (constant delay method)
      and has released it as an option in their main
      product; though they use it only for synthesis and not for
      closing the timing loop. Also look at Monterey Design
      Systems; they actually have had TI giving them a close

    • Also check out Magma's Blast Chip product which takes an ever better approach called FixedTiming. Their web site is

      jive man

    • OF course, the SNPS move was a very bold one. The
      new accounting method will build huge backlog in a
      couple of years: At the beginning of the quarter, it
      will have 85% revenue ready, which will

      1. make
      SNPS has more negociation power, do not need to cut
      deal at the end of quarter to meet street number, then
      do not need to discount the software 10-30% in order
      to make the sale.
      2. increase the certainty to
      street, if 85% of revenue is in at the beginning of
      quarter, what to worry?

      Situation with CDN was
      different with SNPS, the major problem with CDN was there
      was no technology in the pipeline, and they were
      losing market shares in every aspects.

      We can
      discusss more if you are still confused.

    • "Latest move by SNPS was a very bold

      You mean just like the move that CDN made a year ago?
      Oh yeah, very bold!

      EDA will continue to have
      a brain drain until the major players (at least
      SNPS and CDN) start to work together to create a
      healthier industry, and establish appropriate valuations.
      Without the higher multiples enjoyed by the hot
      industries, like telecoms, EDA will not be able to retain the
      talent. Why should they stay, when they can do so much
      better financially down the street?

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