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America West Holdings (AWA) Message Board

  • hookfree2000 hookfree2000 Sep 10, 2003 11:33 PM Flag

    AWA employees

    I live with an AWA employee, who deals with the employee base. It has been relayed to me that most employees are excited about recent performance and feel there is a moral that is changing for the positive. There does seem to be a growing feeling among most employees that the only thing standing in the way of success is the annoying mentality of the entitled pilots.

    Go figure. The vocal minority doesn't look for the positive. They think the light at the end of the tunnel is probably the front end of a train.

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    • >>I live with an AWA employee,<<

      Yeah, probably flybyops!

      I feel sorry for you...

    • Do you mean moral as in a message from a story, or morale as in the sentiment around PHX?

      Wait til your live in(lover ?) sees the mechanics when they come up for negotiations.

      The pilots have been instrumental in the success of the airline for 20 years!They enjoy a perfect safety record and they have done it for far less money than any other pilot group of any comparable airline.What more do you want?

      This RJ issue which has all of the sudden grown to 50 CRJ-900's is not good for the employees.Many that I talk with are embarrassed to have Mesa affiliated with us.Have your special someone do some inquiring into the bulk of the complaints AWA recieves,,,, they are about "Express", or the "other America West", code named MESA!

      Truly compare the quality of a trip on a B-737 vs an RJ. It puts us at a competitive disadvantage.

      We are all aware of the positive things going on here.We are partially responsible.Bad management decisions in the past are mostly responsible for the HELL we have been through for the last 12 years since the CH 11 filing.

      The issue with the RJ's is pretty simple:
      1)They are expensive on a seat mile basis.
      2)They do fit into limited low demand routes where passenger counts are less than 90 per flight.
      3)If AWA wants to sub out some flying for small aircraft we don't have then they can.
      4)Operating a fleet of fifty 84 seat jets goes way beyond the idea of subbing.If AWA needs those planes, they should acquire them and AWA pilots should fly them.

      The fleet size of 25 that was agreed to has been obliterated in a matter of 24 hours, as has the pilots trust of management going into these negotiations.

      This business is far more than ink and numbers on a ledger.Sure that is how success is measured, but the human aspect of the business demands far more.

      If you are sitting there with a short term horizon, the lower the employee costs the better.If you look at it by putting value in those employees and fairly compensatinmg them, then you have the long term vision for this airline.

    • "There does seem to be a growing feeling among most employees that the only thing standing in the way of success is the annoying mentality of the entitled pilots."

      I have no idea whether this is true (we hear very little from non-pilot employees here), but if you WANTED to alienate the other employee groups, the pilots couldn't do better than today's fiasco. Only a pilot's union could reject a contract and then gripe to the company about not honoring its terms! Throw in the fact that the new terms are actually much better for the pilot group (more growth, more job security, etc), and you have a true Theatre of the Absurd.

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      • <<have no idea whether this is true (we hear very little from non-pilot employees here), but if you WANTED to alienate the other employee groups, the pilots couldn't do better than today's fiasco.>>

        Well Einstein, for your information, the "outrage" continues amongst the other work-group's boards. It's not only the Pilots, that Parker pissed off, but also the Flight Attendants, and the Mechanics.

        Huge mistake on young Parker's part, I must say. Suffice it to say, there won't be any $50 or $100 bonus's in our future for quite the while.

 

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