Whining?? Just stating a fact. I'm not short this stock - I actually got out of my long positions several years ago when they announced an $80 million hedging loss that "coincidently" was almost entirely offset by a LIFO liquidation. Obviously my post doesn't equal the intellectual power of the "TSO is a 30.00++++ stock" post but I think it's a little disingenuous for you to accuse anyone who has a different view than yours as being one of those evil “shorts”. Maybe the company isn’t as broken as it used to be now that Smith is no longer there but they still have a lot of the old senior level management people that were his sycophants. Have they reopened the Anacortes refinery yet?