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  • ddw0250 ddw0250 Nov 30, 2005 2:50 PM Flag

    evidence

    lets look at the side of the apple the worm (worms)crawled into and out of...

    kkd's financials are evidence of the fraud
    and wrong doing committed by past and present
    management.

    why would kkd ever disclose this evidence
    of wrong doing?

    delisting by the sec is the least of evils
    kkd will ultimately have to deal with.

    as for the lenders kkd owes...the money
    is gone, kkd isn't getting any more so
    with or without financials what differece
    will it make if kkd's lenders call their
    notes due?

    kkd shareholders the bulk of are mutual funds
    and institutions will never see their money
    either so what difference does it make if
    they see kkd's financials?

    the financial information that can be pieced together reflects failed business plans,
    horrible management and marketing, litigation
    from franchisee' and ny attorney general....

    remember kkd is a publicly traded comany and
    is required by law to diclose the true
    state of the company. the sec's job is
    to protect the public against such fraud
    as committed by kkd.

    as investors our goal is to study the
    market, review financials of the companies
    we invest in and attempt
    to make a profit regardless if our position is
    short or long.

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    • <<<< "Put your finger on the pulse of the KKD market. What do you think?

      How many shares short?

      Ratio of shorts to longs on this board?

      Media sentiment?

      What is your answer?

      ArbThis "

      Number of shares short is less than 1/3 the number of shares long.

      If you ask me, I think the media has, for the most part, given a pass to Krispy Kreme. How come few are demanding the financials? And the interview with Cooper, no challenges to what he said, no hardball questions (I bet the reporter was granted the interview based on several restrictions that KKD imposed). Also, few in the media have done the detective work that has been done on this board to expose what KKD is. >>>>

      Yahoo stats: Short % of Float (as of 10-Nov-05): 46.70%.

      Is this a typical short percentage?

      And what is the ratio of shorts to longs on this board?

      And what is your answer?

      ArbThis

    • "Put your finger on the pulse of the KKD market. What do you think?

      How many shares short?

      Ratio of shorts to longs on this board?

      Media sentiment?

      What is your answer?

      ArbThis "

      Number of shares short is less than 1/3 the number of shares long.

      If you ask me, I think the media has, for the most part, given a pass to Krispy Kreme. How come few are demanding the financials? And the interview with Cooper, no challenges to what he said, no hardball questions (I bet the reporter was granted the interview based on several restrictions that KKD imposed). Also, few in the media have done the detective work that has been done on this board to expose what KKD is.

    • <<<< "The worst has already been discounted in the price of the stock."

      So, can we also say that the best case is already counted in the price of the stock as well??

      It works both ways. >>>>


      Put your finger on the pulse of the KKD market. What do you think?

      How many shares short?

      Ratio of shorts to longs on this board?

      Media sentiment?

      What is your answer?

      ArbThis

    • "The worst has already been discounted in the price of the stock."

      So, can we also say that the best case is already counted in the price of the stock as well??

      It works both ways.

      ArbThat

    • <<<<< If shorts know the financials will be a disaster then why not wait patiently for the financials to be restated, instead of inventing all this BS bankruptcy and delisting conjecture?

      -------- --------- ----------

      I'll give you an answer, and I certainly do not think it is BS. (Read my posts 162370, 72 and 73 -- lengthy article from May '05 Dow Jones Newswire on this subject). Really, Balljarco, your question hits the nail on the head. Some people (me included) are sitting on puts or have sold calls that expire next month. Either seeing the release of financials or a delisting will be very very good for us, no doubt. Self-serving as you call it. I agree. And I do not wish to wait any longer than I have to. It's criminal when you add in the fact that nothing since the IPO is worthwhile info.

      By the way, here is a quote from the long article mentioned above: The NYSE's requirement of listed companies to file annual reports within 120 days of the end of a fiscal year is intended to protect investors, "mainly long ones but also short ones," says Marc Cohodes, a partner at hedge fund Rocker Partners. >>>>


      The shorts want things to happen quickly because many of the shorts on this board hold options.

      ArbThis

    • If shorts know the financials will be a disaster then why not wait patiently for the financials to be restated, instead of inventing all this BS bankruptcy and delisting conjecture?

      -------- --------- ----------

      I'll give you an answer, and I certainly do not think it is BS. (Read my posts 162370, 72 and 73 -- lengthy article from May '05 Dow Jones Newswire on this subject). Really, Balljarco, your question hits the nail on the head. Some people (me included) are sitting on puts or have sold calls that expire next month. Either seeing the release of financials or a delisting will be very very good for us, no doubt. Self-serving as you call it. I agree. And I do not wish to wait any longer than I have to. It's criminal when you add in the fact that nothing since the IPO is worthwhile info.

      By the way, here is a quote from the long article mentioned above: The NYSE's requirement of listed companies to file annual reports within 120 days of the end of a fiscal year is intended to protect investors, "mainly long ones but also short ones," says Marc Cohodes, a partner at hedge fund Rocker Partners.

    • Major discussion going on with minor players.

    • "If shorts know the financials will be a disaster then why not wait patiently for the financials to be restated, instead of inventing all this BS bankruptcy and delisting conjecture?"

      For one thing, it would probably prevent more potential longs from making the same mistake and lose money.

      What do you prefer, to get paid tomorrow, or to get paid in one year?

      By the way, this "delisting self-serving" nonsense of yours, do you ever do anything that is not self-serving?

      And speaking of conjectures, what is your conjecture on why the financials are not ready? Consider that this would be like the 5th extension they get.

    • If shorts know the financials will be a disaster then why not wait patiently for the financials to be restated, instead of inventing all this BS bankruptcy and delisting conjecture?
      ===

      LOL, we have been waiting and waiting and waiting. Cooper has been stalling and stalling and stalling.

      Use some common sense. There is a motive in the stall. It's a one product donut company with circa four hundred outlets and a dozen franchisees!!

      Months ago I posted in jest that Cooper had forbid his staff from using computers and calculators to slow down the process. Now, I am beginning to wonder if it isn't true. At very least he has employed some Florida vote counters to look for hidden chads on a molecule level of every invoice.

      I suspect you would have been long out if you had seen the financials he is delaying beyond all reason. Maybe you would have lost money then but you've more than liklely lost even more now and if you stay on for the financials will lose even more.

      But that's your choice.

    • "Just exactly how long would seem fair to you?"

      "Fair" would be on a quarterly basis (on time)like most other companies.

      Patient would be first quarter of 06, and no later. If they fail to restate by then, nothing but trouble for KKD.

      If shorts "know" the financials are bad, then why all the harping? Hang in there and wait for what you "know" to be validated.

      KKD has not restated. Both shorts and longs in the same position re lack of sufficient financial info.

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