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  • musketeernumberone musketeernumberone Dec 26, 2008 11:43 AM Flag

    "Christmas is an awfulness...."

    Hey, Doc, Fred...

    I'd just like to mention a small historical footnote to this: "Before Christ, the world was harsh and cruel. An eye for an eye was justice. Jesus changed the world. He taught the world to love one another and love God, which was a radical change, and I think it is that philosophy that is worth celebrating."

    The historical figure Gautama Siddhartha, aka the Buddha, who pre-dated Jesus of Nazareth by 400 years, also taught a philosophy of loving kindness for all living things.

    Happy Holidays!

    Musk

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    • <The historical figure Gautama Siddhartha, aka the Buddha, who pre-dated Jesus of Nazareth by 400 years, also taught a philosophy of loving kindness for all living things.>

      Musk, the gnostic Gospels were found in a remote village in Egypt in 1949 and were a treasure trove for archeologists. The story in of itself as to how they were found was fascinating. Sadly, some of the scrolls were burned by mistake.

      Perhaps most troubling to modern Christian scholars was the Gospel of Thomas, a collection of some of the sayings of Jesus. About 50% of the sayings in the Gospel of Thomas are also found in the Bible. This of course has to be troubling to the modern Christian movement. How can you condemn the whole collection of Gnostic Gospels then without condemning the Bible? Until the Da Vinci Code came out, there was little popular debate about the authenticity of the Bible.

      What the Da Vinci Code did to some degree with its many historical accuracies was give the modern Christian movement cover. However, anyone who did a little digging could see that the basis for Dan Brown's novel was the Gnostic Gospels.

      Christians are fond of saying that Jesus was the son of God, and no other religion makes that claim. However, the Gnostic Christians, who were slaughtered once Orthodox Christians aligned themselves with the Roman Empire, believed that Jesus was more of a guide to God than God Himself.

      It has been theorized thus that the Orthodox Christians then kept the writings that made Jesus to be more of a deity and discarded those that made him appear human.

      The Gospel of Phillip suggested Jesus and Mary Magdalene were lovers, and this phrase may have come from Siddhartha himself, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become as I am; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."

      But this saying was not from Siddhartha rather it was in the Gospel of Thomas. You can see why the Orthodox Christians were so anxious to remove it.

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      • "About 50% of the sayings in the Gospel of Thomas are also found in the Bible."

        If my Gospel of Mario plagiarized the New Testament at the 55% level would that establish it's authority?

        Or how about apocalyptic literature generally? The ancient world was awash in the stuff? Must one apply an equal level of respect and credibility to all sources? Do you do that today... like at the grocery stores... with the National Enquirer and the New York Times for instance ? After all, they are both printed on the same type of paper, by the same type of machines, in the same era and they are both found soaked with coffee grounds in land fills. Doesn't this all suggest a rather uniform set of archeological clues to their veracity?

 
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