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  • mojodiego mojodiego Mar 2, 2009 6:15 PM Flag

    To: ilap & btdt

    You believe in "FREEDOM" huh? This kind of "freedom"?:


    WASHINGTON – The Obama administration threw open the curtain on years of Bush-era secrets Monday, revealing anti-terror memos that claimed exceptional search-and-seizure powers and divulging that the CIA destroyed nearly 100 videotapes of interrogations and other treatment of terror suspects.

    The Justice Department released nine legal opinions showing that, following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the Bush administration determined that certain constitutional rights would not apply during the coming fight. Within two weeks, government lawyers were already discussing ways to wiretap U.S. conversations without warrants.


    The memos reflected a belief within the Bush administration that the president had broad powers that could not be checked by Congress or the courts. That stance, in one form or another, became the foundation for many polices: holding detainees at Guantanamo Bay, eavesdropping on U.S. citizens without warrants, using tough new CIA interrogation tactics and locking U.S. citizens in military brigs without charges.

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    • mojo, I do NOT believe in Bush's (or should I say Rumsfield's) torture of people. It still is going on in camps around the world. Obama has not stopped it yet. There are reports that the torture has escalted at Gitmo. I do not believe the federal government and our tax dollars should be fighting wars for the sake of corporations. Nor do I support one inch the neocon intention of US military domination of the world. Not under Bush and not under Obama who has announced he is continuing the same old same old policies. We cannot afford it. Pull out of Iraq in two years? We never should have been there in the first place. It was a preeminent strike with no moral justification. We were and are in the wrong, and remain in the wrong until we are out. 50K troops will remain? For what? And Obama is escalating troops in Afghanistan? Just moving the war front. We spend near a trillion dollars a year for our military, and when some loser jokers hijack some planes, they can fly around for over an hour, into the world trade towers and Pentagon even? That is not what I call National Defense. Do you comprehend that we still have military bases in England from WWII? For what? We have them all over the world, for what? The terrorists fight us because they want our military out of their countries. I think that is a great idea - let them have each other.

      I was screaming about the destruction of constitutional rights and wire tapping in the 60's and I certainly screamed about it as Bush was re-instigating those powers to the FBI. Funny part about it is that I read not too long ago that the FBI is now so buried in data from their taps, they can't sort through it. But the destruction of the constitution is still not funny and I do not see Obama reversing it, only making his position and the feds more powerful.

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      • I just think you're railing against the wrong things. The amount of money we spend on our military is obscene. How can anyone complain about spending more money on education, healthcare, social security, etc.. when the 2009 base military budget rose to US$515.4 billion. Adding emergency discretionary spending and supplemental spending brings the sum to US$651.2 billion This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance and production (about $9.3 billion, which is in the Department of Energy budget), Veterans Affairs (about $33.2 billion), interest on debt incurred in past wars, or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (which are largely funded through extra-budgetary supplements, about $170 billion in 2007). As of 2009, the United States government is spending about $1 trillion annually on defense-related purposes.

    • Humm? Who was president when Japanese Americans were held in detention camps at the outset of WWII?

      In extraordinairy times (1941 & 2001) our presidents have done what they believed was needed to protect the citizenry from our enemies. In retrospect some decisions were wrong - maybe. We'll never know what would have happened if these decisions hadn't been made.

      Or, maybe you were present when every piece of intelligence was relayed every day so you can assure us that these actions weren't necessary.

      I enjoy the exchanging of thoughts with Musk. But, to interject a small piece of the 'witch hunt' from a biased media is tells me who the narrow minded is.

 
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