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  • aco_brasil0192 aco_brasil0192 Jun 25, 2010 8:58 AM Flag

    Musk, Phil, and others who read Portuguese

    You might get a kick out of this...

    http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mundo/756904-popular-apresentador-americano-expoe-teoria-conspiratoria-anti-petrobras.shtml

    Popular apresentador americano expõe teoria conspiratória anti-Petrobras

    A Petrobras caiu no centro de uma teoria conspiratória da ultradireita americana sobre o vazamento de petróleo no golfo do México, parte de uma cadeia de elos "suspeitos" que vai do megainvestidor George Soros até lucros oportunistas com a tragédia ambiental nos EUA.

    O apresentador Glenn Beck, do canal a cabo Fox News, um ultraconservador adorado por reacionários, gastou seu programa na segunda-feira para explicar aos seus mais de 2 milhões de telespectadores tudo o que há de errado com a "malvada Petrô-bas" (como pronuncia o nome da estatal).

    Ele sugere que a grande conspiração envolvendo Soros e a Petrobras tem a ver com o vazamento de petróleo na plataforma da BP.

    O título do programa era "Crime SA: Petrobras". O grande problema parece ser o que Beck vê como "oportunidade" de aumento do valor da estatal brasileira.

    A Casa Branca decretou moratória na exploração de petróleo em alto-mar nos EUA (atualmente suspensa pela Justiça), enquanto a Petrobras continua fazendo suas perfurações e dando lucros a investidores "maléficos" como Soros.

    É preciso grande dose de boa vontade para fazer as conexões sugeridas, tão complicadas que o apresentador precisa de uma intrincada cadeia riscada a giz num quadro-negro para explicar tudo.

    Beck começa dizendo que fundos de Soros investiram em 2009 US$ 900 milhões [R$ 1,6 milhões] na Petrobras. Pouco depois, os EUA fizeram compromisso de empréstimo de US$ 2 bilhões [cerca de R$ 3,5 bilhões] à empresa para ajudá-la a perfurar em alto-mar.

    Para Beck, não é coincidência -- Soros sabia que o dinheiro sairia devido a suas conexões com a Casa Branca.
    Esse empréstimo já levantara polêmica em 2009, e o Exim Bank (de estímulo a exportações) dos EUA soltou nota afirmando que o dinheiro era um adiantamento para a Petrobras comprar material de indústrias americanas e será devolvido com juros.

    As "conexões" e outros lucros potenciais da Petrobras com o vazamento também foram alvo de sites como "O Futuro do Capitalismo", FrontPageMazine e Investors.com. "Daqui a pouco vamos importar petróleo do Brasil", alerta o último.

    Beck prefere partir para o ataque. "Nós não podemos perfurar, porque a Terra e [o ex-vice-presidente e ambientalista] Al Gore estão tendo ondas de calor", diz. "Mas o Brasil é louco: gosta de biquínis fio dental e perfuração profunda."

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    • <<< Palin's role as Governor including her pesonal life were pretty much in the spotlight and I don't recall nearly the same attention or journalistic digging into Obama's background at the time... and I gotta wonder why.>>>

      wins, that's easy.

      Even if there was journalistic digging into Obam's background, it would not be reported the same because the media is tilted unequally towards the left.

      Not to defend Mrs. Palin, but I found the whole "inexperienced" argument against S. Palin as hypocritical in light of BO's experience and achievments. Where was the equality there ?

    • Musk, I think you missed something.

      My beef with BO's link to unions is more about the powerful public sector unions.

      But you are right. In recent years, ordinary labor has lost bargaining power with all the offshoring and outsourcing etc.

      And Corps are everwilling to arbitrage labor to get the best deal and go wherever that might be.

      So we have to deal with it.

      Thing is, now that this has happened, our tax base can no longer afford the inbedded cost of public sector unions with their constant demands for increases in wages and benefits.

      (And then there are other powerful private sector unions that also hold the country hostage in other ways. UAW comes to mind with TBTF)


      So while you might focus on the disparity of the wealth in the country, I look at the ability of the (working) tax base to carry the load of parasites (public sector unions) who do nothing for the country in terms of production.

      Bottom line, the fact that the avg govt worker makes twice the avg wage of a private sector worker when current benefits are factored in... and JMO, but this disparity will get worse unless something is done to correct it.

      Note-I'm not sure about all govt workers but I know that in many instances, their wages keep going up in periodic increments just because of more years of 'service'!

      So if we can't afford the cost of these workers now, it will only get worse because the private sector doesn't get these automatic increases in wages and it's clear that labor in the private sector needs a break.

      With such a disparity in public vs private sector wages, it's time to do some surgery on the public sector.

      And I mean major surgery.

      First, there are many that aren't even needed! Second, of those we need, their wages should be reduced significantly. But I have a heart.

      I don't propose laying a lot of people off in the public sector. Atleast not now. Instead, I'd like to see across the board wage cuts in the public sector with a good portion given back to middle class in the form of tax cuts and the balance used to reduce the deficit.

      Think BO would go for that given his base of political support? Hmmm



      <<*How is it that we learned so little about Obama before the election and so many questions are being asked now?*>>

      Maybe my memory is bad but it seems to me the media were far more concerned about Palin's background than that of BO, no?

      Palin's role as Governor including her pesonal life were pretty much in the spotlight and I don't recall nearly the same attention or journalistic digging into Obama's background at the time... and I gotta wonder why.


      Wins

    • Boy, I really kicked up a storm with this posting.

      We should lable this incident the vast Soros-Petrobras conspiracy.

      One day you pinko Democraps will open your eyes and see that Petrobras secret agents detonated the Gulf explosion to capture the Zimbabwe markets.

      LOL!!!

    • Hi Win: Just a couple quick RESPONSES:

      *But my bigger beef with BO is mainly because of econo/fiscal policy reasons and his apparent willingness to micromanage the economy rather than let the chips fall where they may.*
      SO YOU THINK HE IS DOING TOO MUCH WHILE THE NEXT GUY THINKS HE REFUSES TO GOVERN AND IS NOT DOING ENOUGH... THIS IS THE GOLDILOCKS SYNDROME... IS IT POSSIBLE THAT MAYBE ON AVERAGE HE IS DOING JUST RIGHT, THAT HE IS TAKING A MIDDLE PATH BETWEEN DOING TOO MUCH AND DOING TOO LITTLE???

      *I also don't like his links to unions and the favoritism he shows towards them even though there was a time that I thought unions played a useful role.*
      IMHO ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS IN THE US ECONOMY IS THAT THE BALANCE HAS SWUNG TOO FAR IN FAVOR OF CAPITAL AND AWAY FROM LABOR. GOOD JOBS ARE DISAPPEARING WHILE THE RICH GET OBSCENELY RICHER. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TO ADDRESS THIS OR WE WILL LOOK INCREASINGLY LIKE GUATEMALA IN THE 70s and 80s. tHE MORTGAGE CRISIS IS A SYNDROME OF CAPITAL PLACATING LABOR RATHER THAN PROVIDING SUBSTANCE... GET A HOME WITH A MORTGAGE AND A SECOND MTG, PIG-OUT AND FEEL RICH UNTIL YOU LOSE YOUR JOB... AND YOUR HOME... AND YOUR SAVINGS... AND YOUR DIGNITY. THIS WAS/IS SIMPLY NOT SUSTAINABLE...

      *What the hell is the matter with a system that allows such unremarkable and unproven people to have such good chance at the keys for the WH?*
      THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE DIVIDED, CONFUSED, SOMEWHAT IGNORANT, AND SEARCHING FOR CAPABLE LEADERSHIP BUT NOT RECOGNIZING IT WHEN IT EMERGES. THE SARAH PALIN PHENOMENA IS REALLY SCARY -- WHAT IF SOMEONE TRULY EVIL WAS ABLE TO GAIN THAT KIND OF ATTENTION AND CREDIBILITY.

      *How is it that we learned so little about Obama before the election and so many questions are being asked now?*
      THE GUY WAS PROPERLY AND THOROUGHLY VETTED... I JUST DO NOT GET ALL THE SECOND GUESSING, PARTICULARLY IN THIS CASE WHEN - AS A PERSON - THE GUY IS SO OBVIOUSLY COMPETENT AND WELL INTENTIONED.

    • "Dangerous world" is right.

      For all the old reasons and now maybe a new one.

      Financial corruption and regulatory incompetence of the highest degree are now threatening the collective OECD economies like never before and we still can't drop our guard on the old risks.

      Not to say that some of Obama's ideology and what he says might not be a good idea in the long run but I don't trust him anymore.

      Where I differ is I do not think that we can change direction 180 degrees and expect that some of the more radical groups around the world (and maybe even domestically) will all of a sudden start to play nice just because we start to play differently ...so it's not like we can completely let our guard down.

      But my bigger beef with BO is mainly because of econo/fiscal policy reasons and his apparent willingness to micromanage the economy rather than let the chips fall where they may.

      I also don't like his links to unions and the favoritism he shows towards them even though there was a time that I thought unions played a useful role.

      But public sector unions are a big part of our problems now and he continues the feed them!



      <<Sara Palin 4 President!!! >>

      Muskie, I never would have thought she had a chance to make a comeback after the first go around but it appears the current administration is doing their best to give her a good chance.

      Unfriggin believable that that might be possible.

      What the hell is the matter with a system that allows such unremarkable and unproven people to have such good chance at the keys for the WH?

      I haven't mentioned media but when thinking back about their role in the last election, I have to think that they failed us miserably.

      How is it that we learned so little about Obama before the election and so many questions are being asked now?

      WTH is wrong with this picture?

      Wins

    • Refuses to govern...

      So he should have stuck his finger in the leak and solved the immigration issue while saving the global economy, reforming the financial system while fighting a war nobody wants and dealing with insubordinate field generals.

      And he needs a teleprompter! (Never mind that he is one of the best extemporaneous public speaker ever.)

      Yup, the guy has no substance and is lazy, to boot... Sarah Palin 4 President!!! Beck for VP!!!

      I guess for every person who sees what they want to see, there is another who refuses to see what is right in front of him.

    • Problems posting... this in response to ellecid

      Yeah, he shoulda stuck his finger in the #$%$ hole to stop the flow of oil and
      solved an intractable, decades old immigration problem while he was
      busy sitting on his #$%$ saving the global economy, reforming financial
      regulation and prosecuting a war nobody wants while dealing with insubordinate
      field-generals...

      And he needs a teleprompter! (Never mind that he is one of the best extemporaneous
      speakers anybody has ever seen.)

      Yup, you are right, no substance... and lazy, to boot.

      Honestly, for every person who sees what they want to see, there is another who
      refuses to see what is there right in front of them.

    • Problems posting... this in response to ellecid

      Yeah, he shoulda stuck his finger in the #$%$ hole to stop the flow of oil and
      solved an intractable, decades old immigration problem while he was
      busy sitting on his #$%$ saving the global economy, reforming financial
      regulation and prosecuting a war nobody wants while dealing with insubordinate
      field-generals...

      And he needs a teleprompter! (Never mind that he is one of the best extemporaneous
      speakers anybody has ever seen.)

      Yup, you are right, no substance... and lazy, to boot.

      Honestly, for every person who sees what they want to see, there is another who
      refuses to see what is there right in front of them.

    • Sheesh!!! I would say you are becoming a cynic, but maybe you have been one all along.

      Abuse of power! International conspiracies of the corporate elite! Exploiting the myth of global warming! Throwing the common man out of a job rather than allowing another national disaster to occur unsupervised! Throwing more business to the drug companies by making health care available to more people!

      Honestly, your scenario reads like CHAOS vs MI6 in some bad James Bond re-make.

      I harbor no love and no illusions about politicians. But if you cannot see that Obama is trying to do the right thing(s) in a dangerous world, there is nothing I can say that will convince you.

      Sara Palin 4 President!!!

    • << they are doing what they can despite obstructions>>

      Obama and the Dems have had too much power and have abused it so I disagree.

      "Pass the legislation so you can see what's in it" ??

      <<These are realists and pragmatists... >>

      You gotta be kidding.

      This administration is hardly made up of people with real business experience and Obama's appointments have not impressed me at all.


      Steven Chu, his energy secretary, is just one whose credentials might look good on paper but he's an academic who had an ideology that was steeped in green but lacks real world business experience as well as a practical understanding as to just how ready the green energy alternatives really were to replacing traditional hydrocarbons.

      And frankly, if he's a man of science, I really have to question his understanding of climate science if he still thinks CO2 is a pollutant that needs to be reduced.

      Pragmatists don't start taking big gambles with the economy based on unproven science and that's exactly what Obama's energy agenda will do.

      Funny thing though is the change in how this is being promoted now.

      Instead of selling the green agenda as a basis for reducing CO2 emissions, now the idea is being sold more on the basis that it might create jobs. LOL

      But a look at Spain and other European countries shows just how false that assumption really is. Seems for every green job created, the increases in Spain's energy costs because of green energy subsidies ended up costing the economy even more jobs than the green ones created and the people still have to pay the bills.

      Now I ask you, why would Obama continue to pursue this CO2 emissions reduction energy legislation?

      You really think it's for the good of the country?

      Same for his deepwater moratorium in the GOM.....you really think Obama gave any serious thought to the job losses in the Gulf region in making that decision?

      Pragamatism my A$$

      There's another agenda here and it has to do with capn trade, the Chicago Climate exchange, Goldman Sachs , Gore, Generation Investment Management and a whole host of other international elites who want to capitalize on a LT gravy train.

      <<Obama himself has the best personal character of any president since FDR>>

      I'm surprised anyone could keep the faith this long.

      Wins

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