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  • arwen_imaginary arwen_imaginary May 2, 2011 9:44 AM Flag

    who thinks Bin Laden died 10 years ago.?

    So many crazy theories about everything , here is mine..
    I think BL was killed ten years ago .Burried in the mountain of bora bora after intense carpet bombing ! Kept alive for 10 years for national security reasons ?

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    • http://election.acousticrock.com/election.php

      http://www.skepticaleye.com/2010/02/vincent-bugliosi-on-crimes-of-george-w.html

      “The loud little handful -- as usual -- will shout for the war. The pulpit will -- warily and cautiously -- object -- at first; the great, big, dull bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly, "It is unjust and dishonorable, and there is no necessity for it." Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing and be applauded; but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the anti-war audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long you will see this curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of furious men who in their secret hearts are still at one with those stoned speakers -- as earlier -- but do not dare to say so. And now the whole nation -- pulpit and all -- will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.”

      – Mark Twain, The Chronicle of Satan, 1905.


      “It is unbelievable to what extent one must betray a people in order to rule it.”

      -Adolph Hitler


      " The major function of secrecy in Washington is to keep the U.S. people and U.S. Congress from knowing what the nation's leaders are doing. Secrecy is power. Secrecy is license. Secrecy covers up mistakes. Secrecy covers up corruption...In my 12 years in CIA, I found out that CIA was never fighting against Communism...CIA (USA) has overthrown functioning Democracies in over 20 countries. Enemies are necessary for the wheels of the U.S. military machine to turn. It is the function of the CIA to keep the world unstable, and to propagandize and teach the American people to hate and fear, so we will let the Establishment spend any amount of money on arms. If the Soviet Union were to disappear off the face of the map, the United States would quickly seek out new enemies to justify its own military-industrial complex. Short, successful military adventures are as effective as the Super Bowl in diverting peoples' attention from unpleasant truths. The military has seen its budget restored, to an all-time high, and it has new rationales for continued dominance of U.S. society. The Third World is the new enemy, effectively replacing the Cold War rationales or militarism.... The First Amendment does not require anyone to publish the truth. "

      -US Marine Major (Ret.) John R. Stockwell, Former CIA Case Officer, CIA Angola Task Force Commander, 7 tours of Duty, Member of US National Security Council (NSC) have said in '70s, '80s and '90s:

    • "It was a mistake. And if I had known what was going to happen, I would never have done it....Now, as nearly as I can make out, those fellows in the CIA don't just report on wars and the like, they go out and make their own, and there's nobody to keep track of what they're up to. They spend billions of dollars stirring up trouble so they'll have something to report on. They've become...its become a government all of its own and all secret. they don't have to account to anybody. That's a very dangerous thing in a society, and its got to be put a stop to. The people have a right to know what those birds are up to. And if I was back in the White House people would know."

      --Harry Truman

      "Fundamentally, the founding fathers of U.S. intelligence were liars. The better you lied and the more you betrayed, the more likely you would be promoted. These people attracted and promoted each other. Outside of their duplicity, the only thing they had in common was a desire for absolute power. I did things that, in looking back on my life, I regret. But I was part of it and I loved being in it. . . Allen Dulles, Richard Helms, Carmel Offie, and Frank Wisner were the grand masters. If you were in a room with them you were in a room full of people that you had to believe would deservedly end up in hell." Angleton slowly sipped his tea and then said, "I guess I will see them there, soon."
      ----JAMES ANGLETON, C.I.A. Counter Intelligence-Chief, 1985


      “The citizen who thinks he sees that the commonwealth's political clothes are worn out, and yet holds his peace and does not agitate for a new suit, is disloyal, he is a traitor. That he may be the only one who thinks he sees this decay, does not excuse him: it is his duty to agitate anyway, and it is the duty of others to vote him down if they do not see the matter as he does.”

      – Mark Twain, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, 1889, Ch. 13.


      “The loud little handful -- as usual -- will shout for the war. The pulpit will -- warily and cautiously -- object -- at first; the great, big, dull bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly, "It is unjust and dishonorable, and there is no necessity for it." Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing and be applauded; but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the anti-war audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long you will see this curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of furious men who in their secret hearts are still at one with those stoned speakers -- as earlier -- but do not dare to say so. And now the whole nation -- pulpit and all -- will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.”

      – Mark Twain, The Chronicle of Satan, 1905.

      Speaking of the CIA, check this out:

      Subject: Ted and the CIA, Part 1 - David Kaczynski - timesunion.com - Albany NY
      http://blog.timesunion.com/kaczynski/ted-and-the-cia-part-1/271/

    • The most important lesson to take from this is that no one trusts the US Govt anymore. People are skeptical to anything that comes from Pentagon or White House. Just like the Roman Empire before it collapsed. No trust, no confidence anymore.

    • Don't be surprised when the videos and pics mysteriously "leak" into cyberspace just before the election. Obama and company aren't stupid.

    • OK....I played around with the conspiracy thing for a few days. Now I think it's crazy.

      They got Bin Laden in this raid. You get paranoid and second guess, but I'm going with what Kissinger says. It makes sense. And yes, they buried him at sea. At first I had my doubts. After all that has come out......they got him.

    • You would be right, I'm a little confused too.

      not sure but my guess is you are making a distinction between Iraq having a connection to 9/11 and a 'potential' connection to the new wider declared war on terror.

      referring to Iraq here:

      <<Cheney did say they had links with al Qaeda>>

      Yes but these links were based on statements indicating that there were some meetings or contacts made with no evidence of any collaboration in activities.

      i.e. meetings that never amounted to anything..

      so the justification for invasion and occupation boiled down to a risk that such contacts 'might' result in some collaboration in the future?

      hmmm

      As to statements made by Hillary(?) that the Iraqis were known to have harbored known Al Queda members (in Iraq), I also wonder about that.

      First, was there evidence of that?

      And second, where did she get such info?

      (Keep in mind, if I'm given information that supports a justification that proves to be in error, my radar goes up.)

      Just seems to me it's pretty clear that the justification for invading Iraq was weak and that such rationale that includes so-called meetings by unnamed govt 'officials' in third party countries with Al Queda is pretty vague and might lead one to believe that almost any other country in the region could be similarly implicated and subject to invasion.

      Of course, hindsight is 20-20 but given that we do have the benefit of that now, I just have to think the decision to go into Iraq was wrong.

      As an aside, even if Saddham had WMD's that he was willing to share with Al Queda and that that possibility were dealt with, the final analysis has to consider the potential for new Iraqi- Al Queda connections being made just because of the fall out from a US invasion that went badly.

      My guess is, Iraqis are much less aligned with US values and interests now than before and that is perhaps the most important test of all.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tek2bCSvXmk Everyone is a bit skeptical....for good reason. This isn't over yet.

    • My biggest problem is the line: "he was buried at sea". Don't you think our government would have shown his body to us after this long hunt? I'm furious. Buried at sea.....what a load of BS!

      You don't kill the guy and then just say we dumped him in the sea. You show the f...ing body to the public!

    • I never had an opinion on OBL's whereabouts. But you can heap me in with the crackpots that believe we never landed on the moon.

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