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  • ilap2004 ilap2004 Dec 19, 2011 12:12 PM Flag

    The late Christopher Hitchens on Maher show

     

    Ahmadinejad: "Death to Israel"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo

    "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

    What exactly does he mean by "regime" genius? You mean he just wants another political party occupying Israel's government?

    Iran created Hezbollah a terrorist group in Lebanon.

    They are the source of the Israel based terrorist group Hamas' arms which has for example fired thousands of missile into Israel from Gaza since Israel ended their occupation.

    If you're saying they just sit around minding their own business you're delusional. I know that's what Ron Paul says so therefore you say it.

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    • If you could read.... you would have noted examples of regimes that disappear without physical aggression or incineration. Like the USSR. Like the Nixon administration. And... there is a difference between chanting something and doing it. We did "it" to Iraq when they had nothing to do with 9/11. In other words, we were reckless, unjustified aggressors waging illegal, pre-emptive war. Much like the Israeli's against the Palestinians. Our media try to deceive us into regarding the weakling victims as aggressors and the aggressors as the victims.

      Americans who blindly, uncritically support Israel, support their ethnic-cleansing, detest Iranians, and approve of American tax dollars supporting a racist regime are the real threat to peace in the world. Such Americans are the most propagandized, stupidest and most dangerous people on the face of Earth. In spite of murdering hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's based on a pile of lies, and in spite of the fact that we now KNOW they were lies, we seem not to suspect or fear that all the anti-Iran news stories being jammed down our throats flow from those same sources and are equally immoral. And we seem not to fear killing more innocent life. (For those who use the bible to defend their ignorance, recall that God is not the father of lies, but someone else is.)

      But to your question about whether the victims of Israeli and Neocon aggression just sit around minding their own business, I would ask you whether YOU would do so if you and your kin were victimized, brutalized, murdered, tortured and pillaged? Would you? If you are not a total coward, you would not. So don't expect everyone else in the world whose media are not yet fully owned and operated by, and on behalf of those doing the ethnic-cleansing, to sit on their butts and do nothing.

      If you want to give them an excuse to sit on their butts, then de-fund the terrorist aggressor state, practice impartiality in all foreign policy matters as George Washington advised, reverse the ethnic-cleansing that has happened in our state department, try all our war criminals, condemn all ruthless psychopath Neocons, stop protecting Israel against all other civilized nations in the UN, stop sponsoring Byzantine thousands of intel agencies which are probably participating in false-flag terrorism, tell Israel to retreat to their 1967 borders and pray for the forgiveness of the Palestinians and the rest of the world. THEN, if there is still any need for the USA to fight in defense of Israel, I too will support it. But I will not support it while we are on the wrong side of truth, justice, human rights and history.

      I cannot ask of heaven’s success, even for my country, in a cause where she should be in the wrong. Fiat justitia, pereat coelum.” - John Quincy Adams, Letter to John Adams (1816-08-01)

      Miko Peled is credible on this subject. You must watch this. Give him a few minutes. Good things can happen if sane men like this are heard and followed.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCKWDarNdGw&feature=p layer_embedded

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      • Peled leaves a few small details:

        The UN proposed dividing Palestine into one Jewish and one Palestinian state in 1948. Jerusalem would have belonged to neither side. The Arabs rejected that solution, which is when civil war erupted.

        He also leaves out the small detail of Palestinian massacres of Jews in Palestine decades before 1948.

        Also there was no such thing as Palestinians referring to an Arab people back then. The term generally referred to Jews living in Palestine. The Arabs did not call themselves that. That term came to refer to Arabs after 1967 with the creation of the PLO.

    • Iran wants the racist, Zionist, ethnic-cleansing regime to disappear in the same sense that the Gulag-operating USSR has disappeared. And I would hope that voters make every Senator or Congressman who give their ears, and American Tax-payer dollars to those doing the ethnic cleansing, similarly disappear from our legislatures.

      If Canada was a military behemoth like the USA, and they decided to ethnically-cleanse and occupy the lower 48, do you think we would not both resist with anything or everything we had, no matter how ineffective, AND be justified in doing so? Don't you think we would be grateful for any nation around who would assist us in our self-defense? Do you think Israel has declared any borders or limits to their future territorial expansions? Do you think they would not steadily aggravate the crisis so as to milk continual streams of billions of dollars from stupid Americans? Have you ever read what Israel did to drive the Palestinian natives out of their homes? Do you know what they do to them every day? Do you know they commit torture, murder and ethnic cleansing every day with your tax dollars? Do you know that the civilians who advised the Bush administration to attack Iraq wrote a document describing their long-range plans called "Clean-Break; a strategy for securing the realm." That Iran, Libya, Syria and other states in the region are on the hit list? Do you think other nations in the world do not legitimately reject the racist theology, racist politics, and racist, militaristic colonial expansion of the "only best ethnically cleansed democracy" in the middle east?

      Speaking of Iran's support for Hezbollah, and your claim they are terrorists, can you name some of the occasions in which Israel has committed terrorism against the USA, against Britain, and against Jews in other countries like Iraq in order to further their goals? Can you name any former Israeli soldiers who admit they committed terrorist acts and were, effectively terrorists when they were in the IDF? Speaking of terrorism, have you read anything about what the Jews did in Lebanon? How many cluster bombs they dropped on civilians? Do you know that Israel created Hamas as a lever against the PLO and then used the popularity of Hamas as an excuse to bomb the shit out of Palestinians in Gaza ?

      If you can't name those events or persons, you should start reading books instead of watching FoxNews. The more you watch Fox, or any corporate TV in America today, the dumber you get and the more dangerous you are to innocent lives in the mid-east.

    • Americans who blindly, uncritically support Israel, support their ethnic-cleansing, detest Iranians, and approve of American tax dollars supporting a racist regime are the real threat to peace in the world. Such Americans are the most propagandized, stupidest and most dangerous people on the face of Earth. In spite of murdering hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's based on a pile of lies, and in spite of the fact that we now KNOW they were lies, we seem not to realize that all the anti-Iran news stories being jammed down our throats flow from those same sources and are equally immoral.

      But to your question about whether the victims of Israeli and Neocon aggression just sit around minding their own business, I would ask you whether YOU would do so if you and your kin were victimized, brutalized, murdered, tortured and pillaged? Would you? If you are not a total coward, you would not. So don't expect everyone else in the world whose media are not yet fully owned and operated by, and on behalf of those doing the ethnic-cleansing, to sit on their butts and do nothing.

      If you want to give them an excuse to sit on their butts, then de-fund the terrorist aggressor state, practice impartiality in all foreign policy matters as George Washington advised, reverse the ethnic-cleansing that has happened in our state department, try all our war criminals, condemn all ruthless psychopath Neocons, stop protecting Israel against all other civilized nations in the UN, stop sponsoring Byzantine thousands of intel agencies which are probably participating in false-flag terrorism, tell Israel to retreat to their 1967 borders and pray for the forgiveness of the Palestinians and the rest of the world. THEN, if there is still any need for the USA to fight in defense of Israel, I too will support it. But I will not support it while we are on the wrong side of truth, justice, human rights and history.

      I cannot ask of heaven’s success, even for my country, in a cause where she should be in the wrong. Fiat justitia, pereat coelum.” - John Quincy Adams, Letter to John Adams (1816-08-01)

      Miko Peled is credible on this subject. Give him a few minutes.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCKWDarNdGw&feature=player_embedded

 
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