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  • loserflop12 loserflop12 May 14, 2011 5:32 PM Flag

    Computers aren't my bag

    I'd really like to see where I'd stand if all my stocks fell 20% and the Vix rose to 50, but I'm not sophisticated enough.

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    • Liar!

      You were almost wiped out almost immediately after going maniacal on PFE options at $29 in Nov 2004, when it crashed to $22 in Dec.

    • Here is an excerpt from your post:


      Then in June 2005, you claimed that you weren't cashing out because someone on this board (not your "home board" at the time) had said it would keep going into the $30s before fear about Lipitor loss kicked in. Your betters told you you were nuts not to get out, having been down 50-70% since you deployed the full panoply of your maniacal, insane superior divestment methods in Nov 2004.




      At the June 23, 2005 high of $28.90, I still was only up by 34K with the stock having risen by 3.3% at that point from my $27.99 get-in price on 11/17/04.

      At that point, I hadn't been down by 50 to 70% - that first happened at the 12/9/05 when the company was in some danger of losing the domestic Lipitor patent right then and there.

      It was almost two years yet before I would see profits 96K - getting out in June 2005 for no reason at all would have been ridiculous.

      Nobody foresaw the cluster of mistakes and low-percentage events responsible for the crash and I'm not about to chastize myself over not getting out - I just don't play after-the-fact games like that.

      The fact is though that after today, I'm within 11K of the all-time high Pfizer profits of 110K since inception registered a week ago today.

    • I'd much rather tell everyone that my profits on Pfizer from inception are dramatically higher now than they were in mid-2006. And the stock was 9% higher back then.

      Score another one for superior options methods.

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      Re: Chart talk (1 Rating) 2-Jul-06 02:15 pm

      What counts is NOW - not what happened when the stock was at 45 times earnings and yielding 0.9% which was the situation when Hank first took over.

      Aside from MO six years ago, I can't think of another big-cap stock that sold at not only a ridiculously-low PE but also a top-notch dividend yield as well. Right now for example, HD is also ridiculously low in terms of PE but their dividend is only 1.7%.

      But when a stock has BOTH the kind of PE AND dividend yield that Pfizer has, the only direction the stock can go is up barring some kind of travesty.

      It's mighty lame when your only comeback is what the stock did when it was grotesquely overpriced. There are limits to all things and we saw the lows on June 23 with a perfect storm of negative events. That's as bad as it gets.

      The almost-certain beat of the analyst consensus on July 19 will send Pfizer surging ahead as market participants just haven't been conditioned to expect that - especially the double-digit favorable Lipitor comparison with a year ago.

      All of the pessimism and negativity held the stock down but those same extremely-low expectations will send it rocketing higher in two-and-a-half weeks.

      chartness2003
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      " There are limits to all things and we saw the lows on June 23 with a perfect storm of negative events. That's as bad as it gets."

      " There are limits to all things and we saw the lows on June 23 with a perfect storm of negative events. That's as bad as it gets."

      Anyone want to guess what the PFE stock price was on Jun 23, 2006?

      Maybe chartnuts can tell everyone...

    • What does where it actually closed have to do with what you said it would do?

      You said it would never, ever trade under $30 again after Feb 2005, revised down from your original assertion that it would zoom at least to $35 that year. Then in June 2005, you claimed that you weren't cashing out because someone on this board (not your "home board" at the time) had said it would keep going into the $30s before fear about Lipitor loss kicked in. Your betters told you you were nuts not to get out, having been down 50-70% since you deployed the full panoply of your maniacal, insane superior divestment methods in Nov 2004. As usual, we were right.

    • Here is an excerpt from your post:


      This month, that had an article about where geezers should invest. Many good ideas. Not a single one made any suggestion to selling naked puts. I wonder why?

      Where does the moron get the idea any retiree should be doing such a thing? Most retired investor types are not looking for get rich schemes. They didn't acquire wealth that way so why do it now? Those that don't have much should stay away from stocks or anything connected to stock investments.



      1) If you had just asked me, I would have told you where to invest and you wouldn't have had to waste money on a magazine. WHERE you should invest of course is at my brokerage and WHAT you should invest in are:

      a) Mainly in superior-method options plays in Pfizer

      b) A diversified portfolio of deep-out-of-the-money naked put writes.


      2) where did I say anything about getting rich quickly selling naked puts? So far this year, I have earned $19,880 on naked puts. That's hardly getting rich quick. Nor am I saying that all retirees should be in them.

      But I am saying that retirees in stocks like PFE, INTC, F, MO, KFT, MRK, MSFT, etc. should sell those stocks and instead invest an equal dollar amount in deep-out-of-the-money naked puts for those equities.

      Anyone with an investment in such stocks can easily afford to be in the deep-in-the-money naked puts INSTEAD as there is LESS risk of losing with the puts.

    • Well, you are not alone on that list of honor.

      I continue, even though I am long retired, to fund our investment accounts with 12% of our regular income. I think at age 70 I am fairly safe. I never have more in equities than I can afford to lose without affecting the way we live.

      At my age, I am going for safety more than any other thing. I am still a bit heavy in equities, about 60% and trying to reduce that to about 40%

      Recently, I subscribed to Smart Money Magazine which is published by the Wall Street Journal. It was kind of a try out freebee to Journal subscribers. I kind of like it because they have articles about how retirees should invest, depending on their circumstances. This month, that had an article about where geezers should invest. Many good ideas. Not a single one made any suggestion to selling naked puts. I wonder why?

      Where does the moron get the idea any retiree should be doing such a thing? Most retired investor types are not looking for get rich schemes. They didn't acquire wealth that way so why do it now? Those that don't have much should stay away from stocks or anything connected to stock investments. I have never heard of anything so stupid. Why would anybody bet more than they can afford to lose?

      What you have with Chartwit is a lonely old man that wants attention. He even admits his hobby is posting on a stock message board.

    • ilaughatallthewrongjokes ilaughatallthewrongjokes May 17, 2011 7:00 PM Flag

      He started out 2 bucks underwater.

      Anyhoo- CarolH:

      In 2005 I opend a ROTH IRA with TDA. The money I put into that account then has grown 5-to-6 times.

      I don't 'need' this 'joker' telling me how I should invest.

      My ROTH constitutes less than 1/5th of what I am worth.

      I am still working and productive so most of my wealth is invested in that endeavour.

      I think that what I am doing is better for me, than, what he suggests (to me) "ANYONE" should do.

      I add to my account when I want to, not when or if I need to.

      He adds to his account because he needs to and all that he has to.

      Big difference between him and "anyone" else.

      No wonder to me that I am on his "s" list. As are many here.

      ilaugh

    • I think I am beginning to understand superior methods. It's where you pay $55 for a $48 stock. I got it.

    • ilaughatallthewrongjokes ilaughatallthewrongjokes May 17, 2011 6:38 PM Flag

      I recall you sold TYC 55 Puts (although not naked) when TYC was at 57. You got around 5 bucks for them.

      You also got the stock put to you at 55 bucks when TYC was trading at 48.

      55- 5 = 50. You were 'stuck' with TYC at 50 (net) when it was trading at 48. You stayed bullish on TYC all the way down.

      Then got called away on its way back up at 19.
      You got direction wrong and timing wrong. Two taboos when it comes to options.

      Back then and now.

      In the process got several margin calls, ended up begging a 50K loan from your brother and posting on boards that you ultimately made money with TYC.

      Ya right. By your numbers only.

      All during that time, you lost your butt on UTSI, AUO, LF, BVF and don't let me forget GBLX. (etc etc)

      Now you are in PFE. Lost all you ever had to the point of buying games of Monopoly go come up with more money to 'invest'.


      ilaugh

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