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  • galantfoxjr galantfoxjr Jun 23, 2011 5:17 PM Flag

    Eliquis

    Why did BMY experience a much bigger boost in its stock price compared to PFE regarding the good news this morning on Eliquis? Wasn't this a 50-50 deal?

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    • > I'll take Chartness's word any day before yours and I believe many more will also do.

      "Range theory tells me that Pfizer cannot be prevented from busting through $29 resistance before 2008 is out. I'm putting my money, my credibility and my ability to continue posting here on that assertion."

    • > I'll take Chartness's word any day before yours and I believe many more will also do.

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      I'm claiming victory 14 months in advance 3-Dec-07 03:50 pm

      It's so obvious that Pfizer will make it to my $31 goal within 14 months that I'm going to declare victory ahead of time - declare myself a huge winner, a master options strategist, genius, etc. Any of you readers here that don't like to procrastinate, feel free to congratulate me now and to eat, drink and make merry.

      chrt13
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    • > The only other poster on this board worth reading is Hotpanera whom in my mind brings much to this board.




      So why do you constant rate his posts one star?

    • thomas_jefferson_the_fourth thomas_jefferson_the_fourth Jun 26, 2011 2:52 PM Flag

      > I'll take Chartness's word any day before yours and I believe many more will also do.

      Is Fragmin just a new name for Oporia?

    • yawn!

    • > To start off with, I'm going to strike the term "in spite of." I'm not sure what my mind-set was at the time to use that phrase...

      Delusionally maniacal.

      Shameless jackass
      ____________________________________________

      For the life of me, don't you have anything better to do than nitpick all day long?

      It's to the point where Chartness cannot say two words, you come pouncing on him as if you know everything.

      Take the time to examine yourself as this could be the reason why you're so disdained on this board.

      I'll take Chartness's word any day before yours and I believe many more will also do.

      The only other poster on this board worth reading is Hotpanera whom in my mind brings much to this board.

    • passing_gas_for_charity passing_gas_for_charity Jun 26, 2011 12:32 PM Flag

      > To start off with, I'm going to strike the term "in spite of." I'm not sure what my mind-set was at the time to use that phrase...


      Delusionally maniacal.


      Or drunk.


      Those are the top two on the list.

    • To start off with, I'm going to strike the term "in spite of." I'm not sure what my mind-set was at the time to use that phrase but it simply doesn't apply here. So now we can get on to far more substantive matters instead of wasting time parsing words.

      On Thursday, BMY rose $1.59 from $27.74 to $29.33. Based on about 1.75 billion shares outstanding, the stock price gain increased the market cap by $2.78B. Pfizer that same day gained 37 cents from $20.28 to $20.65 which on a share count of about 8 billion added $2.96B to the market cap.

      So at first blush, the market cap increase was roughly the same for both companies but since Pfizer has 4.6 times as many shares as BMY, the BMY rise strictly in the SHARE price would logically be about that multiple of the Pfizer share price rise. And indeed, the $1.59 gain for BMY was 4.3 times the 37-cent gain for PFE - close enough.

      Both companies have roughly the same earnings - $2.25 is expected for PFE this year while for BMY, consensus is at $2.20. But because the BMY share price was higher going in - $27.74 as compared with $20.28 for PFE, the PERCENTAGE share price gain (as opposed to the raw gain in the price of the shares) was pared to a differential of about 3.15 times (gain of 5.74% for BMY and 1.82% for PFE).

      Notice that I said "at first blush." Because it's my belief that a greater portion of the Eliquis situation was already factored into the BMY price than PFE.

      That's because Eliquis is a drug that was developed by BMY labs and logically they would get credit for "another successful drug from their pipeline" and would validate the BMY strategy of replacing their drugs being lost to patent expirations with new compounds from their own labs instead of buying other companies as PFE and MRK did.

      My belief is substantiated by the fact that going in to Thursday, BMY was down less from recent highs than PFE even though PFE had an approval earlier in the week, was awaiting what most thought would be the approval or only minor delay of Remoxy and it would be retaking the 50-day line.

      So my belief is that when the totality of the market cap gains is fairly figured in, BMY would have come away with more - in keeping with its higher multiple.

      When the poster that I responded to asked why BMY was doing better, my response was right on target - by far the lion's share was due to the share-count differential. The higher BMY share price would have pared the percentage gains somewhat IF the market cap gains were the same for both companies. However, I feel that BMY had already been rewarded because this was a drug developed in THEIR lab and a reaffirmation of their strategy whereas there would have been no such factor for Pfizer.

    • chrt13sezzheaintkowtoting chrt13sezzheaintkowtoting Jun 25, 2011 10:57 AM Flag

      I can hardly be expected to agree with that "dictionary definition".

      I do not park my brain at the door. MANY people have adopted alternate meanings for words, and over time, these become correct. For example, "basically" is used as a FILLER, to avoid gaps in conversation. "In spite of" can be used interchangeably with "basically", as each conveys the same amount of information in my usage. Likewise, the use of the word "hopefully", and the phrase "in actual fact" are nearly synonymous in my usage.

      You can hardly match me in brain power. I seriously doubt that you are, in actual fact, a lawyer. Notice my language - I modified the verb doubt with the adverb seriously. Did I add meaning to the sentence? You tell me. And did you catch my superfluous use of the adjective "actual"? How does the adjective further describe the perfectly descriptive noun "fact"? Something is either a fact or not. That last sentence could have been improved by the use of the word "simply" after the word "either". Or before. Either case would add to the level of LOGORRHEA of my dialogue. I was told, early in my studies, that I had the "gift of logorrhea". Mother told me it was a good thing, and I have striven to sharpen this gift over the years.

    • Right on.

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