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Icahn Enterprises, L.P. Message Board

  • singhlion2001 singhlion2001 Jan 3, 2013 9:18 AM Flag

    ICAHN MF CRIMINAL PARASITE HAS VERY SMALL FLOAT TO SCREW TRADERS HERE...HOW THIS HEDGE FUND #$%$ ALLWED TO BE LISTED IN VERY FIRST PLACE?

    NO MUTUAL FUND OR HEDGE FUND #$%$S SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE PUBLICLY TRADED .....THESE #$%$S ARE FRAUD MANIPULATOR LOOTERS OF 99% WORKING CLASS PENSIONS...............

    HANG EM HIGH.........

    HIGH TREASON CRIMINAL RULERS NEED TO PUT IN MENTAL #$%$ ASAP IN USA

    Hello FBI folks

    Your own report reveals $300 Billion+ White Collar Fraud every year in USA
    Why are you not responding to the biggest ever fraud by an Nexus Insider scam gang at NETFLIX in Bed with Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley and Loot record is over $20 Billion+ and still continues................All Fraud evidence proven and I can show you all the loot and where it is from all S.E.C. Filings alone

    All watch dog agencies in USA are fooling 99% and serving 1% Financial Terrorists network in USA.

    USA is hijacked by Home grown Financial AL QAEDA led by Bankster Terrorists
    Andrew Jackson quotes:
    Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the bread stuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.
    AMERICANS ARE HISTORY WITHOUT REVOLUTION & USA A FAILED STATE: DR. PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS is right on
    Open challenge to debate NETFLIX scam loot Play book live on National TV broadcast with all Academia/Watch Dog Agencies/High Treason rulers

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

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    • YOUR MAMA HAD SEX WITH A PIG = YOU.

      Sentiment: Buy

    • THIS CRIMINAL GOING TO GRAVE mf CARL ICAHN is doing fraud short squeeze on FRAUD LISTED Pyramid scam IEP

      Very small float ton trap shorts and squeeze scam #$%$ Carl Icahn

      HANG EM HIGH and seize the scam loot from 99% in USA

      Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • Hang mf icahn in a public square and seize back the loot this criminal is stolen from 99% pensions

      Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • CARL ICAHN IS AN ABSOLUTE GENIUS !

      Sentiment: Buy

    • Carl Icahn reminds me a lot of Mitt Romney... or is it the other way around? No matter. Either way, they walk off with all the money and leave everyone else in the sewer.

    • Hey #$%$ this was trading at around 41 dollars a share just a few weeks ago. Couldn't you find a better candidate to preach your total bull at?

      • 2 Replies to xraythrives
      • see fraud trading : this is going on for 3 years but Criminal Robert Khuzami Gang at S.E.C.refuse to investigate instead protect and provide all fraud manipulation tools for the loot.

        Who Is Doing What To Whom On Carl Icahn’s Netflix Trades?
        So like I said those were warm-ups; the real question is: why do this? Why not just buy stock? The answer that I started with – leverage! volatility! – is plainly nonsense: you can’t rely on any explanation that assumes a customer, even a savvy customer like Icahn, is systematically and predictably taking advantage of a derivatives dealer.6 Selling naked call options to a corporate raider is awesomely dumb – Icahn can ruin you with one press release! – so nobody would do it. All that Icahn’s done is buy the stock forward.

        So why buy it forward? The answer is super boring, I think. It seems likely that Icahn works this way to avoid HSR filings: the antitrust laws require you to file forms, pay fees, alert the company, and maybe get public disclosure if you’re going to buy more than $68.2 million of Netflix stock. That sucks; it costs time and money and alerts the company when you’ve bought only $60ish million, rather than $300ish million, of their stock. If you want to buy cheap and profit from your press release, rather than buy expensively after the stock has already priced in your interest, avoiding HSR is economically important. And buying via options lets you do so.7 [Update: a reader points out that, if you multiply Icahn's 1.25mm physical shares by the $54.74 purchase price listed for the last of them, you get ~$68.4mm, or right up against the HSR threshold, further evidence that Icahn's tactics are driven by HSR. He also points out that Whitney Tilson takes the contrary "very bullish, leveraged bet" view.]

        So there’s your boring answer: Icahn didn’t get long Netflix to take advantage of his dealer’s stupidity, but to take advantage of his dealer’s HSR exemption. Now, here are some extra-credit questions. Theoretically the put + call are delta one, so the dealer should hedge by buying 100% of the underlying stock, or ~4.3 million shares. So:

        If you were doing this trade with Carl Icahn, would you initially “hedge” by buying, say, 110% of the underlying stock, and then sell down after he files his 13-D and announces his position?
        Would overhedging like that constitute insider trading? Why or why not?
        Did his dealer do that here?
        If the dealer(s) had done that, and sold at today’s closing price, they made ~$4 million today, or ~$8 million total if they put on the trade at ~$59 a week ago.

        Sentiment: Strong Sell

      • its not bulkl$hit

        MF CRIMINAL #$%$ ICAHN need to be nailed in jail cell

        Sentiment: Strong Sell

 
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