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  • missedinv102 missedinv102 Nov 12, 2013 10:23 AM Flag

    ZeroCare

    [Fewer than 50,000 Americans have thus far bought a health-care plan on the problem-plagued ObamaCare website according to an insurance industry report, representing only a fraction of the half-million enrollees the administration apparently wanted the first month.]

    If the numbers aren't what you want, no problem, simply change the accounting methodology. After all, who'll know????

    [An enrollee is now defined as people who have purchased a plan (normal health insurance plan protocol) as well as those who have a plan sitting in their online shopping cart but have not yet paid. As The Washington Post notes, the disparity in the numbers is likely to further inflame the political fight especially in light of the fact that - for context - the average e-commerce shopping cart abandonment rate is 67%.]

    LOL, sitting in the shopping cart = enrollee. Really??? Why don't they simply define anyone who visited the site an enrollee and be done with it. 40 More Years Bro!!!!!

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    • Gee ... incompetent government. Not like it is a big surprise but something so easy as a website just emphasizes how ignorant and dangerous it is to have the gov't even more involved in our healthcare than it was before the roll-out of Zero-Care. Maybe the Paul Ryan look alike pushing momma off the cliff was in reality one of Zero's community organizers doing "the Lord's work." That is going to be your health plan under Zero-Care. If you don't pay mucho dinero in taxes we have a nice ravine for you to stay in until you get better ... if you get better.

    • Enrolled vs Signed Up

      What's in a name??? Since the numbers were so bad, they redefined the metric they were measuring, to include duh "almost" enrolled.

      ObamaCare Signs Up 106,185 in private health care plans in October
      26,794 on Federal Exchange
      79,391 on State Exchanges
      The 106,185 includes those who added the plan to their carts but did not pay - which has a ~70% cancellation rate across e-commerce platforms.

      The clowns were expecting 500,000 enrolled under the previous definition, you know, duh one in duh dictionary.

      • 1 Reply to missedinv102
      • I was just talking about that with my wife earlier today. She is one 3,158,436 people who called the call-centers. She called numerous times about the healthcare.gov site not working for her and spent at least several hours on the phone. In the end it was of no help. Mostly all they could do was apologize and say try again later. I'll bet it cost taxpayers a bundle to not be able to help most of the 3,158,436 people who called. Most people likely called several times, like my wife, before they gave up, so maybe there were 10 million or more calls. Ten million calls showing interest!!! What more can you ask for? A huge success!!!

    • Going through an agent is suggested as a workaround to healthcare.gov.

      Obamacare coverage "costs the same for you whether you go through healthcare.gov or whether you go through an insurance agent. Yes, the agent gets paid to provide this service, and it doesn’t increase your premium – it is money the insurance company would have kept anyway."

      Google "Unknown Workaround To Healthcare.gov"

      My wife contacted a United Healthcare agent in order to sign up for United Healthcare's "Silver Plan." United Healtcare informed her that their computer system won't be set up to accept applications until after November 30. The United Healthcare's unsubsidized Obamacare -- Silver Plan turned out to be considerably cheaper and a better value than her current individual policy with Anthem Insurance.

      • 1 Reply to lookingforsmoke
      • [Obamacare coverage "costs the same for you whether you go through healthcare.gov or whether you go through an insurance agent. Yes, the agent gets paid to provide this service, and it doesn’t increase your premium – it is money the insurance company would have kept anyway."]

        Really?? Next you'll be telling us the 1-3% extracted by credit card CONpanies from retailers doesn't get passed onto CONsumers. 40 More Years!!!

        [The United Healthcare's unsubsidized Obamacare -- Silver Plan turned out to be considerably cheaper and a better value than her current individual policy with Anthem Insurance.]

        Way to go Looking, while just about everyone else is paying more for their premiums, co pays and deductibles. it sounds like you hit the jackpot, one in a million, bro, Woohoo, time to break out the champagne.

    • many,many moons ago, I deployed a multi-state open enrollment web based system, so you can imagine I am following this more closely than most. Mine rolled out with one flaw, not enough servers for the frist day. Quickly fixed. I have even ewatched all the hearings on it, eye opening to say the least. Most of what i guessed was wrong, is wrong, but there has to be some really sloppy work in there too,up to and including the lack of sufficient testing..
      on "abandonment" the comparison with retial does not hold up. Most will wait till the last couple of days, and some will even try to enroll after the date close...it's just one of those things folks "don't get around to"..the "goods" will not go away, or run out, there's no incentive to act now, the deadline is the only incentive.

      • 2 Replies to hummingbirdair
      • [up to and including the lack of sufficient testing..]

        Hummingbird, what testing if any do you think they did?? You're being too kind to these incompetents. Now in private industry, you and I both know heads would roll, given the high profile nature of this system (i.e. it's meant to serve tens of millions - hard to get more higher profile than that) and just how terribly bad the whole thing was/is. Of course in government it's business as usual, no one will be held accountable. Hummingbird, I'd even fire the PR clown that tried to cover up this disaster by calling it a "glitch" - clearly that clown can't be trusted by the AmeriCON public anymore and needs to go too!!

      • baltbear@ymail.com baltbear Nov 12, 2013 11:51 AM Flag

        hummingbird,
        Key term: " I deployed" not "let 18 sets of code writers and db managers maintain 18 sets of proprietary code, and remain unwilling to open the code to each other to look for conflicts."
        The ___Pentagon___ would have done as much of this "open source" as it could possible do, since that's what it does. However, that would have had Fox proclaiming this was part of the Obama plan to set up a military takeover with himself as generallisssimosto , or chief space lizard, or whatever.
        However, since this issue has been a way to play stock mkt games since '96, to my certain knowledge, and was demanded by an actual "REagan republican"--Grace--in the early 80s, given how the game is played, this will all get straightened out in time for Mitch McConnell to say he fixed it.

 
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