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  • froggnot froggnot Jan 30, 2013 3:11 PM Flag

    Another sad story from Chicago

    "Likely because it is adjacent to a place that does not have restrictive gun control laws. See Mexico, Republic of."

    So using your logic, because the gun laws of Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin, Missori, and Indiana are not as restrictive as the gun laws of Chicago, then that is the reason that the death by gun rate in Chicago is so high.

    Further if these other jurisdictions would make their gun laws as restrictive as the Chicago gun laws, then the death by gun rate in Chigago would go down.

    Honestly, is that your logic?

    Not trying to pass judgement.

    Just trying to understand your logic.

    "In your heart you know he is right."

    The Frogg

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    • Not at all Froggie. If they are going to work, we need national restrictions. Do you know why Virginia is largest supplier of guns to criminals on the East Coast? Because it has a loophole that allows criminals to buy guns at gun shows. Criminals drive from Florida and New York to buy guns in Virginia. Probably Chicago too.

      Let me try your logic: Send more AR-15s to Chicago and the death by gun rate will go down. Is that what you think?

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      • "Not at all Froggie. If they are going to work, we need national restrictions."

        OK, OK, I think I am almost there.

        So by your logic if we get "national restrictions" that are as restrictive as the city of Chicago, then the death by gun rate in Chicago would go down.

        Is that it?

        As far as your statement:

        "Let me try your logic: Send more AR-15s to Chicago and the death by gun rate will go down. Is that what you think?"

        No, that is not my logic, but it is the logic of the current Attorney General in the "fast and furious" scheme used by the justice department that resulted in the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

        Further, I think you would be hard pressed to find within last year's 500 death by gun cases in the city of Chicago where they found an AR-15 was used.

        Just trying to understand.

        "In your heart you know he is right."

        The Frogg

      • "Send more AR-15s to Chicago and the death by gun rate will go down. Is that what you think?"

        That depends a lot of who owns those new shipments. If it is the public, the criminals won't be so ready to attack for fear of being shot.

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        “Criminals drive from Florida and New York to buy guns in Virginia.”

        Funny you should mention that. I saw New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly confirm that just a few nights ago on MSNBC.

        From, “The Last Word”

        “…Kelly said that at least two aspects of President Obama’s new 23-point gun control plan might stem the tide of gun violence in New York City: requiring universal background checks and tougher gun trafficking laws. He said that universal background checks could have some effect on the prevalence of concealed handguns, which he called ‘the biggest problem facing urban policing.’

        Obama also proposed a federal gun trafficking measure Wednesday, which Kelly called ‘a move in the right direction,’ saying that 90% of the guns confiscated by police in New York come from out of state. ‘We need a federal plan. Otherwise, we’re still going to be plagued with guns coming from all over. They come up what we call the iron pipeline, 95, Highway 95, coming up from the southern states. These are guns that are landing on our doorstep and they’re killing New Yorkers,’ Kelly said.”

        Keep in mind, Ray Kelly is hardly a liberal. And he specifically mentioned Virginia. And jon’s here braggin’ about working gun shows? And then we have froggie with his bogus somber tone about the recent killing in Chicago, sarcastically suggesting, “Maybe the senate will be able to shed some light on this question.”

        Apparently the gremlin suggests that because a girl was shot in Chicago while gun control legislation is being debated, then it’s useless…we should do nothing? Or was he suggesting, as many would agree with, let’s go after handguns, as well, and really address violence in this country. But mention that, and all these Tea Party cowboys would go apoplectic and have a self-inflicted accidental discharge ala Plaxico Burress.

 
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