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  • usganut usganut Mar 26, 2013 2:10 PM Flag

    We are on our way out and Obama is leading the way

    In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
    University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the
    Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
    temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
    form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
    the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
    gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
    always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
    the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
    collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
    dictatorship."

    "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
    beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200
    years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
    From bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage."

    The Obituary follows:
    Born 1776, Died 2012
    It doesn't hurt to read this several times.
    Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in
    St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning
    the last Presidential election:

    Number of States won by: Obama: 19 Romney: 29
    Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 Romney: 2,427,000
    Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million Romney: 143 million
    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1
    Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory
    Romney won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens
    of the country.

    Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
    "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
    democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population
    already having reac

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    • Despite all the inaccuracies pointed out by detractors, there is an awful lot of truth in what you posted. I don't view snopes as the final authority on very much. It seems to have as many errors as it claims others have. The main point of your post is that the United States is in serious trouble and seemingly nobody cares. The responses to your post seem to substantiate that thesis.

      • 1 Reply to wilkes71
      • Koch Industries doesn't seem to be in a lot of trouble, they're better than ever. To a very rich entity, depressions are only buying opportunities. I'm on the side of the little guy, who must eke out a living for low wages for hard work, and never has the cushion the Koch Bros do. Thanks to Obama things are vastly better than when he took office. Great President.

        Sentiment: Buy

    • "voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
      gifts from the public treasury"

      How true, and have the money to buy lobbyists, networks, and red necks with no brains. The largest, and most generous treasury gifts go to the wealthiest.

      In school we learn Presidents serve up to 8 years, then we elect another, guess home schooling doesn't teach that to rwnj's. Can't wait to vote Democrat again.

      "Professor Olsons" comments? hahahahahaha- keep losing and never learn, losers.

      Sentiment: Buy

      • 1 Reply to peppeek
      • Our problems typically don't start with President's serving eight years; it begins and unfortunately too often doesn't end with 'professional' members of Congress. That is where most of the less than honest relationships with lobbyists are created, nurtured and reinforced.

        Members of Congress that are more and more often starting to thinks of themselves as some sort of powerful royalty rather and servants and representatives of the people are where most of our problems begin. They consistently create problems that then have to be solved in 'crisis' mode and while they, who created the problems, insist that we believe they are the only people on the planet with the intelligence and experience to solve these self-inflicted problems.

        The understand that if they keep sharing our treasury in huge displays of generosity toward the weak, helpless and in overabundance with the lazy, stupid and corrupt they will continue to vote for them. They perpetuate the philosophy that no one in their right mind would ever vote against someone willing to give them something for nothing.

    • Ancient Athens was a full-on Democracy, not a Republic. Ancient Athens remained a Democracy until it was overthrown by Phillip of Macedon (Alexander the Great's father). Through its entire period Athens was a leading economic, cultural, academic and military center.

      I doubt your Scottish professor existed at all, but if he said what he said about Athens he was a very poor history professor.

      Usually when we see this email it is attributed to Rome, which was a Republic for about 500 years before Caeser installed himself as emperor. Loose fiscal policy did not end the Roman Republic--civil war and infighting among a wealthy elite did. The Empire lasted for another 500 years.

      • 1 Reply to ricky18201
      • Many consider a full-on democracy to be where the majority rules. If the majority votes for an action, idea or law then it should be the law of the land; strange then that the people of California and several other states have voted, in large majorities to ban gay marriage but now it is being forced into court. What happened to majority rule in a democracy?

        Conveniently many liberals are convinced and will quote that ‘we won; we should get our way because the majority voted us in’. However when the majority votes for something they don’t like, they want the right to force their opinions on others regardless of the majority.

        I find that the concept of majority rule to be null and void if any minority complains. There was an example in the media this week where an Easter egg hunt was canceled because one family in the school complained. One family!

        There is no Constitutional right, or any other right to never be offended by something around you or a decision that you can avoid. We in America seem to have forgotten and forsaken many of these thoughts.

    • ...“In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor…blah, blah, blah…” – usganut, otherwise known as pinhighshot, Igolfatwork, and other silly aliases derived from golfing lexicon.

      Thanks for another informative post, straight off the email spam wagon…this one another contrived, factually inaccurate Tea-brain concoction that’s circulated many times, beginning in 2000, with Bush & Gore, then replaced with McCain & Obama. Apparently our caddy friend, empty of both facts and originality, has once again re-circulated it, this time with Obama & Romney.

      Tyler wrote no such thing.

      Joseph Olson confirmed he also didn’t write that which was attributed to him

      And your facts are incorrect, as usual.

      Snopes will confirm that, which means that you people are nothing but a pack of losers with nothing to offer other than intentional lies aimed at gullible fools like yourselves.

      Now go replace your divot and head on down to the ladies’ tee, Stymie. Caddy day at the club is over.

 
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